If this car doesn't amount to anything then I just don't really see myself owning any Toyota newer than 99. Went to the Toyota dealer to test drive a Corolla before buying our Mazda3 and that thing was a yawn factory. Toyota needs something exciting!

Plus, even if there is a turbo option I thought it was going to be in the Subaru lineup?

ruined once again

introducing the scion fr-s



http://jalopnik.com/5660934/scion-fr+s-is-...ew-toyota-ft+86

This post has been edited by Johnnyny: Oct 11, 2010 - 3:28 PM

Not only that - the Subaru version (the version I would have gone for) might be Europe-only.

Toyota is so out of touch it's ridiculous.

I'm not so sure that that Scion FR-S is real. The original FT-86 has a picture that looks just like that, so I think that Scion is just a Photoshop job.

Let's all go buy Evo's instead. At least Mitsubishi is building a proper car.

What I read and what actually comes out always seem to be two different things.......again, we shall see when it does come out, this year, next year, five years from now...............

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This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Oct 11, 2010 - 4:47 PM

can somebody please direct me to a number where i can talk to somebody at toyota? like customer satisfaction or something? i'll even call japan if i have to so i can rant. i dont care if it falls upon deaf ears.

HELL at this point i dont care if the person im speaking to can understand american!!


oh and that link johnnyny posted has some wintastic comments lol

for example:


Dear FR-S,

I am writing this letter to help you along on your journey. What do you have to learn from me you say? Well, the answer should be somewhat obvious.

I too, was shouldered with the responsibility of saving a dying brand.

You will be launched with much fanfare and applause from the community of hardcore car guys and auto enthusiasts. You will bask in the limelight of glowing reviews from the car mags and many blogs and websites around the world.

Life will be good.

Slowly, but surely, the praise will start to fade. Not for any wrongdoing on your part, but the public is a fickle beast. You will still be respected by your hardcore base, but the buying public as a whole might have missed the initial blitz of your arrival. If they had infact glossed over your arrival, chances are they might not consider you at all when they see you for the first time. "Don't you know who I am?" will fall on deaf ears.

Your bretheren in the showroom will not understand you. A life of staring at FWD siblings most of whome lack even performance aspirations will not help to move you into the mainstream. You will always be a niche product, in a niche brand that sadly, is losing ground.

FR-S, enjoy it while it lasts. For as you go, Scion may not. I wish you better success than I, but if not, the Orphan Car Counceling group meets Wednesday nights at Nash's house. We will be there if you need us. Please bring a snack of your choice.

Thank you,

G8.

PS - Plymouth is allergic to peanuts.



This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Oct 11, 2010 - 6:57 PM

BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

And...we're back to square one.

I saw this over the weekend and it just crushed my heart - until this car hits an auto show in production form everything else is scuttlebutt.

We might as well all assume Toyota is going to screw the pooch on this one...they have a history of doing so.

I sent another email to Toyota....hopefully I can get some truth here! BTW, love the scuttlebutt usage!

I sent mine.

LOL piro

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Yeah, sure did!

As long as it delivers on the promised FR driveline and comparatively light weight, I couldn't care less what it looks like or if it were badged a Diahatsu SuperFishCakeHappyTime Anal Leakage Special Edition.



Sorry for x2 post, I fumbled my fingers

This post has been edited by HectortheRican: Oct 11, 2010 - 8:24 PM

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Very true, and Nissan has always been on top of their game keeping around the Z cars. A fine example.

When I was buying my truck I spent obscene amount of time at toyota dealership. The general rumor that was going around was that scion will be coming out with a new sporty car. That was back in april. This could very well be it.

So lets settle a couple of things.

#1 I am shocked.. once again that you guys are shocked about toyota not manifesting their ideas into a car. Look lads I keep telling you again and again and again. Toyota has pulled out of every single spot they were involved as a manufacturer. Now they are nothing more than a supplier and even then they supply engine blocks which are built with 90% custom aftermarket parts borrowed from other makes and models. In simple terms that quite literally means that toyota has NO reason to built and or create any sports cars now or in foreseeable future. More so.. they realized that their sports brand was not selling well and there are far more people interested in family cars than there are people interested in sport cars.

#2 stop fantasizing about ft-86. Car manufacturers make concepts all the time. I mean ALL the time. They look at what people are blogging about and how public responds to certain parts and THEN they make it a production vehicle that loosely resembles the concept AND is a shallow version of what could be.

Lets have a look at the following concepts:
A-bat is pretty much a tacoma/tundra
crown concept is available overseas as crown
f3r is scion xb
ft-ev is their iq
and so on and so fourth.


If you are looking for visionaries dont look further than chevrolet. Manufactured in canada the new bumblebee camaros come craptastic with really weak engine at affordable price. THEN they are also offer other engines with consequent increase in price. GM realized that since people are into swapping engines anyways they might as well build a shell like hondas and make their engines interchangeable.

So...

All you fanboys and fangirls.. for love of sweet mother teresa please stop waiting for something that will never come. There is no reason for it to come because cars of the future are smaller, slower and more affordable. In other words they will not be fast... they just need to look fast(er) than a turtle.

Just look at kia's line up. 2010 kia forte coupe looks like its on steroids. I was standing next to one yesterday and I was like daaam son. Hynday genesis coupe looks like its wow without the "wow".. it seems like every single manufacturer is going that route because they realize that people are more interested if they can hook up a ipod to a vacuum cleaner than how fast their car can go.

In any event I would say that there is no sense in saving up or hoping for something that may or may never come. More importantly in 5 years your priorities may change and even if your dream car is invented you may not be in a position to buy it.

^^ Too long, Did not listen. (Catch the line at the end)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVfVqfIN8_c

This post has been edited by Random_Stranger: Oct 11, 2010 - 8:56 PM

That... made.... my... DAY

x2 with Faustino. However, I can paraphrase.

"I'm a Debby Downer. I told you all, I'm right. Buy me an Evo."

Kthxbai

>

..."and give me $5,200, or $9,400, or some other random amount of thousands in cash."

>

and lastly, dey turk er jahbs

Leave it to yarik to drop an asteroid sized chunk of "reality" on this topic - although he's got a point.

I think as enthusiasts at heart a lot of us see this new car as Toyota finally returning to a soulful past with - even though all the evidence points to the exact opposite. I don't know if I'm speaking for everyone else but I'm looking to replace my celica with a car about the same size, about the same weight, and with a little more "get up and go" for about what my car sold for that's still manufactured by Toyota. At this point the only things on my radar are the Lexus IS AWD or a Scion tC but the thing I really was/am waiting for is the production 86 but if Toyota wants to ruin what is damn well their last chance with me that's fine - I'll be just a little sadder to have a 370z in the driveway than a 86 but that'll melt away with each drive.

The point is that Toyota dragging their feet has cost them dearly; when the time was right to be throwing new sports cars at the market they were completely enthralled with taking over the global market with sheer econobox numbers and now they can't really afford to build the car they should be building because there isn't a market big enough to compensate for the money lost on this project.

SWEET JESUS!!
please!
what the effin duck is wrong with you?

there is no SCION FR-S! cant you see its a photoshop from initial FT-86 pics?
there is no FT-86 sedan! cant you see its a photoshop from Belgium FT-86 pics?
its all stupid rumors and photoshops to attract readers and other site links. Dont blame Toyota and whine according to rumors until you get official info and real pics, not drawings.

to bring you something real, see motor shows of REAL TOYOTA representative employees, not some bloggers that found there is a "layer" feature in photoshop software and he could draw another door or something on top of original pic.

Here: Toyota FT-86 at Paris Motor Show 2010, it is happening RIGHT NOW in Paris, France, Middle Europe, YO, from 2nd to 17th of October available to PUBLIC. Go and see the car, its that simple!

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Quote of the month right there

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agreed. if the Scion bull**** would come true, it would not mean BAD NEWS. Ok, we all would like to have a awesome sporty RWD car, but if its for 20k USD it will NOT be exclusive and it WILL be cheap ass **** interior. So adding similar parts to SCION it would make easier for track drivers to source new parts.

^ As of right now, I'd like to believe you, but I've also scratched off my Toyota tattoo with a blunt razor blade, so I'm still a little pissed. Show me a production FT-86 on the showroom floor exactly as promised and I'll pop a boner, but before that I'm not showing a fawking ounce of enthusiasm for this car anymore.

There are so many different rumors surrounding this vehicle it is hard to keep up, but current talk of the FT being sold as a Scion FR-S (at around $25,000) seems to make the most logical sense, if you think about it. . .

After the recall hysteria surrounding Toyota, is it really all that likely Toyota will try to restore its image by marketing a performance coupe? My bet is Toyota will stay focused on its green image and the Prius "brand". Also, at the moment, Scion is the division that needs new products that will sell and draw excitement, not Toyota. I'm sure Toyota realizes that there likely are quite a few current Scion owners who would want to upgrade into a $25,000 FR-S from that that $19,000 TC they bought in their 20's, if such a car existed.

Everybody seems to forget how bad project genesis turned out for Toyota- The Echo, 7th gen Celica, and MR-Spyder were all marketed as youth-oriented vehicles, but struggled to find buyers under the Toyota banner. The next stab at selling products to younger buyers was Scion- which until only recently, has been a fairly positive sucess story for Toyota.

for such a sad topic in a thread, this has definately turned into me placing a check in the category of WIN.


yarik shooting people's dreams, (he's the guy that will tell your 5 year old that there is no santa)

Somebody calling somebody else david faustino

the random useage of the word "scuttlebutt"

a new edition of car having something to do with a dihatsu,anal,fish and birthday cake

Someone BLATANTLY showing their battle with A.D.D (LMAO too long did not listen)

people scratching their toyota tattoos off with a blunt razor blade in anger

the OTHER voice of reason in this pie in the sky thread screaming
"SWEET JESUS!!
please!
what the effin duck is wrong with you?!"

and folk posting INSANELY HILARIOUS from youtube!


this thread is a full deck of WIN.
u guys are awesome.

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Oct 12, 2010 - 11:21 AM

Piro, your summarization just made me laugh even more

Its a mixture of win and loss.............mostly loss

^ Yarly.

And x2 on that anal scuttlefish part being funny.