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what does any of this have to do with 2slow2nervous' car getting done ?

If you got beef with tweak or his buddy then make a new post about it so you 2 can cry about who has bigger balls then.

back to topic, IC looks good.

well tweak kind of called him out on his claim that he does quality work for cheaper, not takin sidees cause i love tweak, but just pointin out

>Interesting... I'm not sure I agree that this is a good idea. The air now only has 5 passages to go through, and twice the distance inside the intercooler, along with a few hard bends at the far side. The cross-sectional area inside the intercooler is decrease and I would imagine this would make a large flow restriction.

What was the thinking behind this? I would prefer a pipe to run up behind the crash bar and around rather than doing it this way (see the DSM guys and their FMICs).

-Charlie

the cross sectional area is the same, unless they are hacking off some amount of the IC core. Instead of 1 shoter fat area the charge now goes 1/2 as wide but makes a double pass....if you do your math and all that fun jazz and common sense its cooling the exact same amount as it would in a normal straight setup. only downside is the 180* turn that it now was to do on the other end tank but its negligible performance wise

Is the intercooler completely finished as seen in pics?

This post has been edited by Punisher: Mar 30, 2007 - 7:27 AM

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Just so that I understand you correctly, you're saying that you do swaps much better than I do with much better results for cheaper, is that right?

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Not only that, the route taken to get to the intercooler from the turbo is much shorter and uses less bends, so in the end you win out this way.

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YES! WE THOUGHT THAT THE AIR WOULD MAGICALLY MAKE THE 180-DEGREE TURN AT THE END AND COME BACK INTO THE INTERCOOLER PIPING ALL BY ITSELF!



As for angrymike's welding skills, you can't compare this:



with this:



Compare the welds. If you don't see the difference and don't know why it's important, then you need to stop, and go argue with someone else on the internet.

Mike's last job, by the way, was welding parts for GULFSTREAM and BOEING.

-Doc

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Mar 30, 2007 - 9:38 AM

you guys should be board rivals lol! that would be awesome.

I think not.

why can't you compare them?
they are both done by hand? i think its perfectly reasonable to do so..

runner length, runner position, material quality and weld quality are all factors comparable to any manifold
but we could just get out a sonogram or whatever that bit is and really inspect the welds for direction of flow and all that crap..

oh i also forgot to mention price(all of them are sub 900$ from NEUKIN) and such(warranty theirs is lifetime) is useful for comparison as well

welds



side noted here is a cast iron one that showed up lately



This post has been edited by playr158: Mar 30, 2007 - 10:17 AM

Dan, get real - this is not a forum board to discuss things, this is tweaks shrine thread where people can worship him.

This post has been edited by snapshotgt: Mar 30, 2007 - 10:39 AM

Ya.. board rivals with someone who is here to strictly make money.. charging 8g or better to drop an engine in.

And yes, I'm telling you that I can do better and for cheaper... stuff that in your pipe and smoke it.

Oh, and I can tig too... I'll take pictures of the intake manifold I'm making right now. Maybe I can replicate it for people to buy.. only 900 dollars introductory price!! I'll include it in a swap.. along with a bastardized intercooler for only 10 grand!

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damn they don't have a

"you just been served" or "called out bitch"

smily

*but honestly gotta appologzie to 2slow cause its about his car and i suggested we make a new thread*

This post has been edited by playr158: Mar 30, 2007 - 10:43 AM

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That's pretty much true.. if you so desire to worship a wallet raper.

If I charged someone 8grand for a swap that would include an engine that was stripped down, completely cleaned inside and out (bead blasted intake manifold, valve cover, jet washed head, tank the block.. etc) with all new seals, gaskets and piston rings and a balanced bottom end.. engine included with full 3" mandrel bent exhaust system..

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I call BS. Itemize it.

You charge $1500 for swap? Well, so do I.

Here's a HIGH END 3SGTE swap, itemized. Most swaps cost less than this:

Let's do a 3SGTE swap real quick just for a good comparison (most of this is taken from my "3SGTE Swap Checklist" thread, but I'm updating some things)

Good 2nd gen 3SGTE Engine set $1500 ($1900 for a 3rd gen)
Shipping $350
Front-mount intercooler, piping, clamps, couplers $600 to $1000 depending on intercooler quality
Performance clutch kit $350
Aussie downpipe $350 shipped
Misc (Fuel pump, filters, fluids, etc) $600
Labor for swap, wiring, AND custom-install of front-mount and piping $1800
Full stainless-steel, mandrel-bent custom-built 3" exhaust system $950

Total basic 3SGTE swap into a GT $6500 to $7300

For an ST, add the GT tranny, axles, mounts, custom a/c and p/s lines, for an additional $1000, so total is around $7500. For an automatic, add an additional $600 for the manual conversion and parts.

A few dollars can be saved here an there, but there's no gouging going on here. I work on Toyotas because that's what I love working on, and while I do have to make money to put food on the table, I never have and never would overcharge people. I spend a great deal of time every time I do a swap looking for better, cheaper suppliers and better deals. And the labor is more than fair.

-Doc

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Mar 30, 2007 - 11:16 AM

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And tweak... this comment is nothing against you, but you gotta see the following you have from each build thread to the next! You are very popular here.

Is that bad?

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no answer?



This post has been edited by playr158: Mar 30, 2007 - 11:15 AM

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Yes - because other people trying to get good info across about build quality, parts, labor etc are always attacked by your 6gc soldiers defending, or supporting you till death, and it gets in the way of actual information.

Sorry, but you have been

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In no way did that statement own anything.
This is Tweak's and Angrymike's thread about 2slow's car. The three of you need to STFU and get your own "I think Dr.Tweak sux because he gets all the business I want" thread. Can we get back to topic now?

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Perfect example. Also, this has NOTHING to do with getting tweaks business.

This post has been edited by snapshotgt: Mar 30, 2007 - 11:31 AM

so, i've been on a couple of other boards before building stuff and i've gotten some flack in the begining there too. i know that saturns are funny, but what most people don't realize is that because i started with saturns, i have a lot more experience dealing with custom builds. there isn't aftermarket support for those cars, so i had to start from scratch. because of this i had about 5 different turbo kits on my personal vehicle trying to figure out what works and what doesn't. i did all of this before i ever built a customer car or offered a mail order product. i did my reading, but i also did my homework too. i have never had an issue with my welding, fitment or fabrition because of my expesive experimenting. this is why i do this for a living.

i realize that i'm faily new to toyotas and i'm not going to say i make a superior product to some of you that are here and have been here.

the whole reason tweak introduced me is because i'm working with him now. if any of you are interested in have tweak do a swap and wiring for you, now you have an opiton to get some high quality fabrication done as well. while there are other builders that have the same if not better quality then i do, feel free to include them in your search for a shop to do you work for you.

$900 is a pretty good price for a 4 to 1 manifold. on average one of those manifolds takes 20~30 hours to build expecially if its custom (which this one would be). our shop rate is $80 an hour, so if you do the math, $900 is a pretty good deal. i always included a lifetime warranty on an manifold that i produce as well.

i stand by my product and i've only had success.

as far as runner length, materials and construction. these can be disputed on every level.

i build my product for fitment, reliability and power. in that order. there is no point making a bunch of power with a manifold that cracks or hits.

Tweak is awesome... all my questions and confusion are answered by him. Total professional.

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No this is just fact. STFU already. And for you it has to do with you and your swap. it's personal and it's lame. Take your BS elsewhere. i for one have learned something in this thread - converting a FMIC over to same side entry/exit. I want that for my 5S-FTE project. You are just in here being an a$$. Start your own thread.

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that looks like cast stainless weld L's. i wouldn't think thats cast iron. same thing my manifolds are made of, but they brushed the welds after construction.

as far as comparing between welds goes (pictures of mr2). the welding in the first picture shown was terrible. there was too much heat and poor control during welding. when welds occur like that with stainless, the chrome and nickle are essentially burned out of the metal leaving a very brittle sub-par stainless.

the second picture (pictures of mr2) was much better. either somone got better at welding or they learned how to use the pulse feature to cover up any sub par welding.

This post has been edited by angrymike: Mar 30, 2007 - 11:42 AM

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Few important things you need to read (I recommend twice):

1.) It has NOTHING to do with getting tweaks business. PERIOD.
2.) It has NOTHING to do with my swap. PERIOD.
3.) I never said you cannot learn stuff from tweak. PERIOD.

word, i'm not trying to knock ya down mike but gotta put everything through the tests
i'm personally for function > form
so manifolds for me have to be able to last through long periods of hard driving (ie road course) were they HAVE to be on top of their game because they endure much more then any drag racer abuse will prove.
another question is do you design for the exhaust pulses as well, spiraling or what not? i'm not very familiar with this but maybe you could shed some light

look forward to seeing some cool stuff!

This post has been edited by playr158: Mar 30, 2007 - 11:51 AM

yea i dont really appreciate this b.s here either... Im just trieng to keep up to date on my car.. And i hafta hear all these crack ass haters pissing on this thread. Doc is doing great work and helping me greatly i have no problems with anything he is doing. His pricing for me has been great to. the car is coming nicely and no1 can appreciate his work just get pissed cuz they dont do it as good. To all that cant say decent **** hear do not post. Do us all favor make a new thread of get a life!

This post has been edited by 2slow2nervous: Mar 30, 2007 - 11:53 AM

Back to topic .

so how about the ppl that sent me my motor sent me the wrong afm but i got a used one and its on its way to tweak shuld be their today hopefully! I believe thats basically whats stopping my car from being done. I cant wait to hear my celi!

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Yeah man, we got it today, and we also got the exhuast parts in, so we'll be putting some more pics up later

-Doc