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Topic #46439 283 posts Started by Dr_Tweak
Your bearings don't "break in"
There isn't supposed to be ANY contact between bearings and journals.
The journal rides on a film of oil.
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Your bearings don't "break in"
There isn't supposed to be ANY contact between bearings and journals.
The journal rides on a film of oil.

They have to seat in place. Find their groove. Just because you cant see it doesnt mean they arent making minimal contact.

This post has been edited by toyotacrazy: Mar 24, 2007 - 11:22 PM
no really. they DONT contact, the only time they should have metal on metal is after a long sitting period. even then its not much.

94' ST Coupe - 5sfe Motor swap and brake swap.
Exactly.

You can't see it regardless.

But they aren't supposed to have ANY contact.

If they aren't FULLY seated in place, whoever assembled the engine didn't do it right....
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lol, you guys are clowning on me about saturns?


I had to read his post twice before I got it, but I'm quite sure that snapshotgt was ragging on DeW_H0e_GT for asking if you work on anything "besides celicas" after you specifically said that you specialize in Saturns.

But, maybe I'm wrong, though most of the Celica community is pretty good about not hating on other cars... this isn't SRTForums, after all. biggrin.gif

-Doc

-Dr Tweak, 6GC's resident engine swap wiring expert extraordinaireClick here to see my swapsdrtweak@phoenixtuning.com
i had to read it twice too but i came to the same conclusion as tweak

that being said, that manifold is magnificent.
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lol, you guys are clowning on me about saturns?


I had to read his post twice before I got it, but I'm quite sure that snapshotgt was ragging on DeW_H0e_GT for asking if you work on anything "besides celicas" after you specifically said that you specialize in Saturns.


Correct. wink.gif

Past: V6 Swapped 6G Celica, E46 BMW M3, Jeep Wrangler TJCurrent: 850rwhp C6 Corvette Grandsport, Gen1 6.2L Ford Raptor
reading comprehension > mike

i wouldn't say i beat the supra, but i stayed ahead. it was pretty even from 30~100mph, but above that he would start to creep pretty good on me. that was about 3 years ago in milwaukee on hwy 100 (case any of you are from around there).

that supra was running 13psi making around 550whp during that race. he later turned it up. he was making about 850whp before he put the ass-end of the car into a bridge while driving 70mph in the rain.

crappy way to loose such a sweet car.

This post has been edited by angrymike: Mar 25, 2007 - 2:35 PM
yea that does suck.... Is he gonna build another one?
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yea that does suck.... Is he gonna build another one?



as far as i know, no. he had about 50k into that one. who knows though.
angry mike how do u like working on the celica??? Would it be hard to make a custom turbo manifold for that with ur crazy welding skills???

This post has been edited by 2slow2nervous: Mar 28, 2007 - 10:58 AM
man making a custom manifold.. sounds like a nightmare to me!

87 4runner DLX 22re, 5spd, 4.30gr, 4" lift, 30" tires, HID w/ Projectors, 6spkr + sub, custom exhaust, 94 celica leather seats, SR5 gauge cluster and clinometer. Future engine swap... possibly a 2jzge.
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You mean like one of these?

http://www.full-race.com/catalog/product_i...04a758c597cf9d0

We could do that for $900 (introductory price).

-Doc


If it ends up looking anything like that saturn manifold i'm sure art museums would buy them.

87 4runner DLX 22re, 5spd, 4.30gr, 4" lift, 30" tires, HID w/ Projectors, 6spkr + sub, custom exhaust, 94 celica leather seats, SR5 gauge cluster and clinometer. Future engine swap... possibly a 2jzge.
rofl

the manifold is meh...longer runners = ftl they act as radiators
Why are you always hatin? The guys trying to help us out.

This post has been edited by Negative: Mar 28, 2007 - 4:22 PM
its not hating.....its FACT

tubular manifolds don't last that long and crack frequently
the longer the runner the more it acts as a radiator releasing heat...
why is that bad?
because thats energy that could go into spooling the turbo and being more efficient. why do you think most 3sgte owners and companies use the stock manifold up till like 400hp? cause its well built and designed...
its not hating... I charge far less to do work for people and produce better end results... its fact. that saturn manifold is weaksauce.. have fun copyingsomeone elses design for a manifold.. that is also weaksauce... some people are here to strictly make a buck... I do affordable quality work bc im an enthusiast.. like most of us here are.

87 4runner DLX 22re, 5spd, 4.30gr, 4" lift, 30" tires, HID w/ Projectors, 6spkr + sub, custom exhaust, 94 celica leather seats, SR5 gauge cluster and clinometer. Future engine swap... possibly a 2jzge.
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its not hating... I charge far less to do work for people and produce better end results... its fact. that saturn manifold is weaksauce.. have fun copyingsomeone elses design for a manifold.. that is also weaksauce... some people are here to strictly make a buck... I do affordable quality work bc im an enthusiast.. like most of us here are.


that saturn manifold is FAR from weaksauce. its a piece of art man, the amount of work that went into that is astounding. cutting the radius bends, and fitting it to a jig, all the tight welds that look very nice. and there are only so many ways to make a manifold, how is that copying lol. a ramhorn manifold is a ramhorn manifold.
thats a decent price for a nice manifold, hell FullRace want $1200 for there ramhorn manifold.

This post has been edited by x_itchy_b_x: Mar 28, 2007 - 8:32 PM

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-Doc

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its not hating... I charge far less to do work for people and produce better end results... its fact. that saturn manifold is weaksauce.. have fun copyingsomeone elses design for a manifold.. that is also weaksauce... some people are here to strictly make a buck... I do affordable quality work bc im an enthusiast.. like most of us here are.


I would really like to see you make one as amazing as that.

Cuz Thats How Us Country Boyz RollGrowing up racing motocross, i learned one thing..."Always wear clean underwear, you never know when the Paramedics are gonna have to cut your pants off of you"
Tweak, about the wiring. Did you extend it to wrap around the manifold and does the diagnostic port always end up dangling by where it enters the cabin or is that all left over from the previous wiring attempt?

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Tweak, about the wiring. Did you extend it to wrap around the manifold and does the diagnostic port always end up dangling by where it enters the cabin or is that all left over from the previous wiring attempt?


It is extended to wrap around the manifold, and that is where I install the diagnostic port... it's only dangling right now because I haven't buttoned it all up yet.

-Doc

-Dr Tweak, 6GC's resident engine swap wiring expert extraordinaireClick here to see my swapsdrtweak@phoenixtuning.com
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Tweak, about the wiring. Did you extend it to wrap around the manifold and does the diagnostic port always end up dangling by where it enters the cabin or is that all left over from the previous wiring attempt?


It is extended to wrap around the manifold, and that is where I install the diagnostic port... it's only dangling right now because I haven't buttoned it all up yet.

-Doc


I thought you routed the harness between the manifold and head like a stock harness? Any reason you stopped doing it that way? That's the way I did mine and it seemed like it was easier than extending all the wires plus it looks just like Toyota did it.

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its not hating... I charge far less to do work for people and produce better end results... its fact. that saturn manifold is weaksauce.. have fun copyingsomeone elses design for a manifold.. that is also weaksauce... some people are here to strictly make a buck... I do affordable quality work bc im an enthusiast.. like most of us here are.


I would really like to see you make one as amazing as that.


there is a new one out for the 3sgte but its not 100% sure on production
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company called Neukin...cheaper than $900 lifetime warrenty...
and the claimed detail "The manifold was the best manifold we could make within reason for the Mr2. I even took the time to get runners close to equal length and the runner entry into the collector was set so the fire order of 1342 would fire exhaust into the collector in a spiral one right after the other to increase spool up etc"
here is the Mr2oc thread to follow or see the discussion
http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=2368...age=1&pp=30
more importantly should pay attention to what Bill Strong says in that thread

*but we should stop thread jacking and create a new one....or get over it*

This post has been edited by playr158: Mar 28, 2007 - 9:49 PM
Um.. I said that the saturn manifold is a piece of artwork.. Not worth more than good looks.

I don't make exhaust manifolds..

87 4runner DLX 22re, 5spd, 4.30gr, 4" lift, 30" tires, HID w/ Projectors, 6spkr + sub, custom exhaust, 94 celica leather seats, SR5 gauge cluster and clinometer. Future engine swap... possibly a 2jzge.
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Um.. I said that the saturn manifold is a piece of artwork.. Not worth more than good looks.

I don't make exhaust manifolds..


A few posts ago, during a discussion about the manifolds, you claimed that you can do much better work with much better results for much cheaper. Since you now say that you don't make exhaust manifolds, I guess we're all a little confused.

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I thought you routed the harness between the manifold and head like a stock harness? Any reason you stopped doing it that way? That's the way I did mine and it seemed like it was easier than extending all the wires plus it looks just like Toyota did it.


That is the way I was doing them for a while, but I discovered when doing a swap in a 5th gen that the JDM harness can actually reach the ECU just fine if you make some slight changes to the harness, and then extend the coil, ignitor, AFM, noise filter, temp sensor, oil sending unit, cold start injector switch, and maybe one or two other things. This ended up being much easier and simpler than taking the whole harness apart and redoing it, but of course, on the 5th gen, the plugs at the fusebox and the interior actually work.

On this car, the fusebox and interior connectors had be hacked off the 6th gen harness, and the rest of the harness was MIA. Unable to use parts of it that I normally would, I opted to do the wiring "5th gen style" and wire the 6th gen fusebox and interior connectors directly to the harness. This proved to work quite well and may become my method of choice for doing harnesses in the future.

Though, these days, I don't do many 3SGTE harnesses, mostly I do 4AGEs, 2JZGTEs, 1JZGTEs, etc.

-Doc

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Mar 29, 2007 - 6:19 AM

-Dr Tweak, 6GC's resident engine swap wiring expert extraordinaireClick here to see my swapsdrtweak@phoenixtuning.com
cars coming along good! i like what im seeing alot cant wait to sit behind the wheel of her!
Swaps.. I also do engine builds/rebuilds, transmission work and everything inbetween.

Doing a 3sgte swap into a 4th gen gts for a local guy.. He's been jerked around a lot.. I'm charging him a grand(includes any wiring and aftermarket parts installation) plus parts.. others on here have asked me about 3sgte swaps.. I charge 1500 labor.. that includes the harness work and cleaning the engine and replacing whatever seals/gaskets.. pumps.. etc.

This post has been edited by Punisher: Mar 29, 2007 - 10:02 PM

87 4runner DLX 22re, 5spd, 4.30gr, 4" lift, 30" tires, HID w/ Projectors, 6spkr + sub, custom exhaust, 94 celica leather seats, SR5 gauge cluster and clinometer. Future engine swap... possibly a 2jzge.