black wrap but die will burn off i guess making it white?
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yep, looks black to me, lol
bitter, i told you already, i wouldn't wrap headers, professional race teams do it because they replace the whole engine the next day, with a daily driven wrapped headers, bad stuff can happen
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what color was it when you bought it?
what color was it when you bought it?
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QUOTE(LewFX @ Jun 27, 2006 - 9:25 PM) [snapback]449731[/snapback]
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2" 25' black
2" 25' black
yep, looks black to me, lol
bitter, i told you already, i wouldn't wrap headers, professional race teams do it because they replace the whole engine the next day, with a daily driven wrapped headers, bad stuff can happen
so your saying to take it off and let this sucker get super hot? i only applied a thin layer
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What's so bad about wrapping headers? Please explain what "bad stuff can happen". You can't just say something is bad without backing up your statement. I never heard of race cars going through engines daily.... that sounds rediculous.
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yep, looks black to me, lol
bitter, i told you already, i wouldn't wrap headers, professional race teams do it because they replace the whole engine the next day, with a daily driven wrapped headers, bad stuff can happen
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QUOTE(Bitter @ Jun 29, 2006 - 9:08 PM) [snapback]450582[/snapback]
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what color was it when you bought it?
what color was it when you bought it?
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QUOTE(LewFX @ Jun 27, 2006 - 9:25 PM) [snapback]449731[/snapback]
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2" 25' black
2" 25' black
yep, looks black to me, lol
bitter, i told you already, i wouldn't wrap headers, professional race teams do it because they replace the whole engine the next day, with a daily driven wrapped headers, bad stuff can happen
What's so bad about wrapping headers? Please explain what "bad stuff can happen". You can't just say something is bad without backing up your statement. I never heard of race cars going through engines daily.... that sounds rediculous.
Header wrap can trap moisture in the material, leading to premature failure of the header. That's pretty much why a lot of people will advise you stay away from it. They also trap heat in the headers which can be a bad thing.
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the joke was on bitter, he failed to read lew's color description of the header wrap, not to lew if that came across your mind. To answer your question, formula atlantic replaces/rebuilds their N/A 4age after each race, because of the high compression and maintaining high revs to power the N/A 4age, it could go boom if things dont get replaced. Here's a link to why i wouldn't put heat wraps on headers, i thought you guys knew about heat wraps already, apparently i was wrong
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What's so bad about wrapping headers? Please explain what "bad stuff can happen". You can't just say something is bad without backing up your statement. I never heard of race cars going through engines daily.... that sounds rediculous.
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yep, looks black to me, lol
bitter, i told you already, i wouldn't wrap headers, professional race teams do it because they replace the whole engine the next day, with a daily driven wrapped headers, bad stuff can happen
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QUOTE(Bitter @ Jun 29, 2006 - 9:08 PM) [snapback]450582[/snapback]
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what color was it when you bought it?
what color was it when you bought it?
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QUOTE(LewFX @ Jun 27, 2006 - 9:25 PM) [snapback]449731[/snapback]
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2" 25' black
2" 25' black
yep, looks black to me, lol
bitter, i told you already, i wouldn't wrap headers, professional race teams do it because they replace the whole engine the next day, with a daily driven wrapped headers, bad stuff can happen
What's so bad about wrapping headers? Please explain what "bad stuff can happen". You can't just say something is bad without backing up your statement. I never heard of race cars going through engines daily.... that sounds rediculous.
the joke was on bitter, he failed to read lew's color description of the header wrap, not to lew if that came across your mind. To answer your question, formula atlantic replaces/rebuilds their N/A 4age after each race, because of the high compression and maintaining high revs to power the N/A 4age, it could go boom if things dont get replaced. Here's a link to why i wouldn't put heat wraps on headers, i thought you guys knew about heat wraps already, apparently i was wrong
one website does not mean a thing, they are trying to sell their product...how bout real facts and articles about it.
i dont trust a vendor site for good information, other than stoptech and maybe one or two others.
i'm going to wrap mine, then put the silicone spray on the wrap to seal it. i have to keep that heat out of the engine bay somehow, before it ruins the paint on the hood!
i'm going to wrap mine, then put the silicone spray on the wrap to seal it. i have to keep that heat out of the engine bay somehow, before it ruins the paint on the hood!
2000 Celica GTS 'slowest gts evar'1998 Mazda 626 FS-DE/CD4-E
well i took it off today because i didnt feel good about the quality of the wrap, i should have bough dei since its known for its quality.
can the paint on the hood really get ruined from the heat from the header?
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i'll probably have some left over, if its enough to redo your header...you could buy it off me
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well i took it off today because i didnt feel good about the quality of the wrap, i should have bough dei since its known for its quality.
well i took it off today because i didnt feel good about the quality of the wrap, i should have bough dei since its known for its quality.
i'll probably have some left over, if its enough to redo your header...you could buy it off me
2000 Celica GTS 'slowest gts evar'1998 Mazda 626 FS-DE/CD4-E
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yea, it can hurt the paint.
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can the paint on the hood really get ruined from the heat from the header?
can the paint on the hood really get ruined from the heat from the header?
yea, it can hurt the paint.
2000 Celica GTS 'slowest gts evar'1998 Mazda 626 FS-DE/CD4-E
well most hoods have the fire retardant stuff on the inside.
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It can cause some premature fading regardless... but that's inconsequential. It depends whether or not you like 'bling' under your hood... but if you went with wrap... chances are that doesn't matter. I'm not a big fan of wrap either... but each to his own. Nice to know somebody finally mustered the balls to try out one of the ebay mystery 5SFE headers. Wasn't it only a little while ago everyone was convinced they cannot fit?
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well most hoods have the fire retardant stuff on the inside.
well most hoods have the fire retardant stuff on the inside.
It can cause some premature fading regardless... but that's inconsequential. It depends whether or not you like 'bling' under your hood... but if you went with wrap... chances are that doesn't matter. I'm not a big fan of wrap either... but each to his own. Nice to know somebody finally mustered the balls to try out one of the ebay mystery 5SFE headers. Wasn't it only a little while ago everyone was convinced they cannot fit?
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i dont have one of those insulative mats under my hood, theres not even holes for the pushpins to hold one into place, and all the emissions stickers are under where one should be. its never had one! what would i put under there? i mean after just a couple miles of slow (less than 45mph) driving my hand can be burned by the hood!
2000 Celica GTS 'slowest gts evar'1998 Mazda 626 FS-DE/CD4-E
someone tells me to show proof that wrapping headers can be harmful, i show proof, and then gets flamed because it is only from "one website"?? just google it man
bitter, a good quality high temperature paint job on that hood could be useful man! after all, our cars are like 100 million yrs old or something so just repaint that sh8, peace!
bitter, a good quality high temperature paint job on that hood could be useful man! after all, our cars are like 100 million yrs old or something so just repaint that sh8, peace!
yea, i suppose some refractive or reflective paint on the underside of the hood could help keep my newer paint safe, the car was repainted about 1.5 years ago btw.
2000 Celica GTS 'slowest gts evar'1998 Mazda 626 FS-DE/CD4-E
wow this header wrap thing is getting rediculous......ok if you have wrap on then how will the paint on the hood get hot? the wrap is insulating the heat into the header..therefore the heat stays in the header and doesnt disipate out to the hood. even IF it gets hot with the wrap...headers glow red and paint stays on. another thing its' a daily driver so its not like he will be having an amazing amount of heat going through them..like the nascar example in that link..you're comparing cars that have 600 hp, go 200mph for HOURS at a time.. Lew is gonna drive to work and MIGHT get up to 80 for a few seconds...drive for a few minutes...sit at red lights and stop signs idleing...NOT that hot
Lew if you want wrap do it..they are comparing RACE cars to a daily driven celica
Lew if you want wrap do it..they are comparing RACE cars to a daily driven celica
Coming in 2010full paintjob - new wheels - modified body - new interior - engine build- marriage
the original paint on my hood was heat checked and cracked, so yes i'm worried about this.
i cruise at 80mph weekly and take my car on long (10+hour) trips a few times a year. i'll drive at 80 for 5-6 hours at a time. just a short trip (about 2-3 miles at 45mph) and my hood is too hot to touch! if you spit on the top of it, it will steam off in a few seconds.
pop the hood and put your hand 6 inches from the header at idle, and you'll want to pull it away in about 30 seconds, its hot enough for me to cook a hotdog over
my header doesnt get redhot, i doubt the egt's are that high. stock turbo'd cars have generous heat sheilding and insulation to keep the paint on the hood safe.
if i had that mat material under the hood, i doubt it would get that hot.
i cruise at 80mph weekly and take my car on long (10+hour) trips a few times a year. i'll drive at 80 for 5-6 hours at a time. just a short trip (about 2-3 miles at 45mph) and my hood is too hot to touch! if you spit on the top of it, it will steam off in a few seconds.
pop the hood and put your hand 6 inches from the header at idle, and you'll want to pull it away in about 30 seconds, its hot enough for me to cook a hotdog over
my header doesnt get redhot, i doubt the egt's are that high. stock turbo'd cars have generous heat sheilding and insulation to keep the paint on the hood safe.
if i had that mat material under the hood, i doubt it would get that hot.
2000 Celica GTS 'slowest gts evar'1998 Mazda 626 FS-DE/CD4-E
even if you did it would still get that hot...i dont believe our cars had that stock ANYWAY
Coming in 2010full paintjob - new wheels - modified body - new interior - engine build- marriage
get a hood with a vent! its very cool to see the heat vent out, almost like a mirage
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on a geo prizm? i think just died laughing.
i won the wrap and paid, it should be here next week.
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get a hood with a vent! its very cool to see the heat vent out, almost like a mirage
get a hood with a vent! its very cool to see the heat vent out, almost like a mirage
on a geo prizm? i think just died laughing.
i won the wrap and paid, it should be here next week.
2000 Celica GTS 'slowest gts evar'1998 Mazda 626 FS-DE/CD4-E
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thats the EXACT same as is on my car, except mine cost $100 shipped off ebay. it looks like they changed a hanger for the celica, i wonder if they have different B pipes for the corolla/celica?
the ebay is stainless, not chrome, and the flex section is leaky as heck! other than that its not bad.
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thats the EXACT same as is on my car, except mine cost $100 shipped off ebay. it looks like they changed a hanger for the celica, i wonder if they have different B pipes for the corolla/celica?
the ebay is stainless, not chrome, and the flex section is leaky as heck! other than that its not bad.
This post has been edited by Bitter: Jul 3, 2006 - 8:41 PM
2000 Celica GTS 'slowest gts evar'1998 Mazda 626 FS-DE/CD4-E
I also decided after seeing in person the poor results of the header paint from Duplicolor to go the wrap route. I'm at this moment taking a break from spraying on the sealer. According to directions it needs to be heated to 400 degrees to cure but it doesn't say that it needs to sit for as long as the paint did. I'll post how it goes.
Bitter did you wrap yours yet?
Bitter did you wrap yours yet?
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Its not a straight bolt on. Still needs a little piping welded like the corolla ones. I have it. And you need to find a way to connect the O2 sensor.
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Its not a straight bolt on. Still needs a little piping welded like the corolla ones. I have it. And you need to find a way to connect the O2 sensor.
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\\my ebay header wrapped. HUGE drop in engine bay temps! 30 mile drive on the expressway and the hood is cooler than if it had been sitting out on a sunny day. the header can be touched with bare fingers without getting burnt.
i know it looks shabby at the bottom, the 2" wrap wasnt the best choice to wrap where the runners join.
This post has been edited by Bitter: Jul 22, 2006 - 3:00 PM
2000 Celica GTS 'slowest gts evar'1998 Mazda 626 FS-DE/CD4-E
looks like you overwrapped it too much, too much wrap is bad