bloodMoney's Project V.3

bloodMoney

#331

The benefit of white wheels?

You can spot when something is going wrong. I have no pics right now, but for whatever reason, I"m getting a significant rust buildup on the LR wheel. I need to get it in the air and see what's going on tonight.

~bloodMoney

punkxrckprincess

#332

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QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Jun 27, 2019 - 10:16 AM)

>The benefit of white wheels?

You can spot when something is going wrong. I have no pics right now, but for whatever reason, I"m getting a significant rust buildup on the LR wheel. I need to get it in the air and see what's going on tonight.

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo #savewhitey

bloodMoney

#333

So, the wheel issue turned out to be nothing. There are no leaks or an significant wear that I could find.

Unfortunately, I think the cluth took a s**t on me yesterday.

Was on the highway, in 3rd, decelerating for an exit ramp at about 2500rpm, when the revs suddenly dropped back down to idle. Clutched in to try another gear, but the clutch won't engage anymore. The weird thing is, there was no noise, nothing. Just dropped to idle, like I took it out of gear. I can still feel all the gates, and still have good pedal pressure/return, but no go.

Sat on the side of the highway for 3 hours before a truck showed up to bring me home. After that, I didn't even want to look at it. So, I'll start picking it apart tonight to figure it out. I hope it's something simple.

This post has been edited by bloodMoney: Jul 11, 2019 - 7:56 AM

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cheela

#334

damn! 3 hours!! You could've fixed it on the side of the road by then.

Hope it's something simple too. Sorry bud.

*1997 Celica ST - 3SGE Greytop BEAMS*1977 Celica RA29 - Classic Cruiser*2005 Matrix AWD - dedded but still hanging around like a ghost2019 Rav4 XLE Premium - Sports mode is fun.

navseal345

#335

No smart a$$ comment comes to mind. But at least you can put the 2 post to use.

richee3

#336

The joys of owning older cars... at least it happened somewhere where you could pull over instead of getting stuck in traffic. Youll have to let me know how much of a nightmare the clutch job is.

"Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others labored hard for." -Socrates. Even Socrates told us touse the search button!2006 Aston Martin V8 Vantage.1998 Celica GT-BEAMSSwapped.2022 4Runner TRD Off Road Prenium.2021 GMC Sierra AT4.

bloodMoney

#337

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QUOTE (cheela @ Jul 11, 2019 - 8:45 AM)

>damn! 3 hours!! You could've fixed it on the side of the road by then.

Hope it's something simple too. Sorry bud.

I could've had the motor out by then.

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QUOTE (richee3 @ Jul 11, 2019 - 12:56 PM)

>The joys of owning older cars... at least it happened somewhere where you could pull over instead of getting stuck in traffic. You’ll have to let me know how much of a nightmare the clutch job is.

Step 1: Remove Engine.

This post has been edited by bloodMoney: Jul 11, 2019 - 1:12 PM

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Box

#338

Well at least it happened on an exit ramp and not going down the interstate or going up the entrance ramp, so there's that I guess. Still totally sucks, might be the original clutch that just decided to give up on life.

2001 Miata LS 5-speed

Bitter

#339

Bunch of rust on a wheel can be an early sign of brakes hanging up on that corner, brake dust rusts pretty good on white wheels.

As for the clutch, it said '**** it I'm going back to Japan' and just left lol. Super weird there was no noise or roughness prior, unless something had already been stressed past elastic and into plastic and then just the slightest torque sheared it off like butter.

2000 Celica GTS 'slowest gts evar'1998 Mazda 626 FS-DE/CD4-E

bloodMoney

#340

Removed the inspection cover yesterday. Didn't reveal anything except a lightweight flywheel.... No clue why they would put it on the back side of the flywheel, not really useful there.

So, I started pulling the left side of the car apart to get some visibility to the trans:

Untitled by bloodMoney2012, on Flickr

Got the starter out to take a look at the pressure plate/clutch, and it looks like it may have just been end of life on the current piece.

Untitled by bloodMoney2012, on Flickr

It's just weird because there wasn't any slipping prior to the failure. There was no noise either. I'm still thinking that it was the TO bearing that took a ****.

For the record, the current clutch is a Clutchmasters FX500 6 puck un-sprung unit, that the PO installed.

This post has been edited by bloodMoney: Jul 12, 2019 - 9:41 AM

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CoolZeen

#341

....and the fun beginngs.

Box

#342

Nothing like changing a clutch on something AWD or 4WD....

2001 Miata LS 5-speed

bryanf

#343

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QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Jul 12, 2019 - 10:40 AM)

>Removed the inspection cover yesterday. Didn't reveal anything except a lightweight flywheel.... No clue why they would put it on the back side of the flywheel, not really useful there.

So, I started pulling the left side of the car apart to get some visibility to the trans:

Got the starter out to take a look at the pressure plate/clutch, and it looks like it may have just been end of life on the current piece.

It's just weird because there wasn't any slipping prior to the failure. There was no noise either. I'm still thinking that it was the TO bearing that took a ****.

For the record, the current clutch is a Clutchmasters FX500 6 puck un-sprung unit, that the PO installed.

Something just doesn't look right about that photo. I wonder if your clutch failed.

My Celica

enderswift

#344

What about the unsprung disc as a culprit? I remember someone on here sheared the rivets on their solid disk after a few k of driving in traffic

Bitter

#345

Weren't those Exedy clutch discs that were failing all the time back in the day? Though I think that was springs leaving to go see Jesus.

So what will you replace it with?

2000 Celica GTS 'slowest gts evar'1998 Mazda 626 FS-DE/CD4-E

NgoFcukinWay

#346

Southbend's clutches are Exedy-based clutches. They've gotten good reviews and I enjoy mine in the Supra. Waiting to install the one I have for the Celica.

-Alex {](O_o)[}1993.5 Toyota Supra....with stuff........sorta broken....1998 Toyota Celica....this one, too, has stuff........broken....yeah...definitely broken....

enderswift

#347

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QUOTE (NgoFcukinWay @ Jul 14, 2019 - 12:53 PM)

>Southbend's clutches are Exedy-based clutches. They've gotten good reviews and I enjoy mine in the Supra. Waiting to install the one I have for the Celica.

I was skeptical of south bend but now I wont install anything else. Dead reliable and do indeed use exedy parts. I even paid a visit to their facility and liked what I saw. They're a good bunch of dudes

This post has been edited by enderswift: Jul 14, 2019 - 3:20 PM

narly_charley

#348

That sucks that you were on the side of the highway for three hours... Hope you're able to easily dive into this and the job goes smoothly without breaking any parts.

2000 GT-S 6 SPD...SOLD!

bloodMoney

#349

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QUOTE (enderswift @ Jul 14, 2019 - 3:20 PM)

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QUOTE (NgoFcukinWay @ Jul 14, 2019 - 12:53 PM)

>Southbend's clutches are Exedy-based clutches. They've gotten good reviews and I enjoy mine in the Supra. Waiting to install the one I have for the Celica.

I was skeptical of south bend but now I wont install anything else. Dead reliable and do indeed use exedy parts. I even paid a visit to their facility and liked what I saw. They're a good bunch of dudes

I was going to ask your input on this. I'll look deeper at Southbend.

Alex: We have an Excedy OEM replacement in the wife's ST165, and we love it. I am much harder on things than she is though, so I need something a little bit tougher than OEM spec.

I really hope I didn't destroy the input shaft.

Thanks Joe. I think I'm still more upset about that, then I am about the car breaking.

This post has been edited by bloodMoney: Jul 15, 2019 - 7:28 AM

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Bitter

#350

4th hearing only good things about SB stuff. How long ago was that clutch put in, that bad batch of Exedy was a very long time ago so it's unlikely unless the car's been sitting in storage for like 15 years.

2000 Celica GTS 'slowest gts evar'1998 Mazda 626 FS-DE/CD4-E

bloodMoney

#351

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QUOTE (Bitter @ Jul 15, 2019 - 7:46 AM)

>4th hearing only good things about SB stuff. How long ago was that clutch put in, that bad batch of Exedy was a very long time ago so it's unlikely unless the car's been sitting in storage for like 15 years.

Sometime between 5-10 years ago.

It's the Clutchmasters in there now, Stacy has the Exedy. I'll probably move to a stage 2 endurance SB clutch for this go-around.

~bloodMoney

richee3

#352

At least this gives you a chance to freshen up your engine. I replaced the valve cover in Brigettes a couple of months ago and it was no fun. And the leak still persists... I think its just doing to keep leaking until I need to pull the engine for something. Im planning to go with a Southbend clutch whine this car finally needs one so Ill be curious how you like it when you get it in.

"Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others labored hard for." -Socrates. Even Socrates told us touse the search button!2006 Aston Martin V8 Vantage.1998 Celica GT-BEAMSSwapped.2022 4Runner TRD Off Road Prenium.2021 GMC Sierra AT4.

navseal345

#353

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QUOTE (richee3 @ Jul 16, 2019 - 4:17 PM)

>Ill be curious how you like it when you get it in.

That's what she said.

Box

#354

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QUOTE (navseal345 @ Jul 16, 2019 - 7:32 PM)

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QUOTE (richee3 @ Jul 16, 2019 - 4:17 PM)

>Ill be curious how you like it when you get it in.

That's what she said.

Indeed, something that concerns all women.

2001 Miata LS 5-speed

NgoFcukinWay

#355

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QUOTE (bloodMoney @ Jul 15, 2019 - 7:26 AM)

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QUOTE (enderswift @ Jul 14, 2019 - 3:20 PM)

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QUOTE (NgoFcukinWay @ Jul 14, 2019 - 12:53 PM)

>Southbend's clutches are Exedy-based clutches. They've gotten good reviews and I enjoy mine in the Supra. Waiting to install the one I have for the Celica.

I was skeptical of south bend but now I wont install anything else. Dead reliable and do indeed use exedy parts. I even paid a visit to their facility and liked what I saw. They're a good bunch of dudes

Alex: We have an Excedy OEM replacement in the wife's ST165, and we love it. I am much harder on things than she is though, so I need something a little bit tougher than OEM spec.

I had one of those in the Supra as well before going Southbend. Great little clutch, but unfortunate that it couldn't handle the extra power when I went single. lol

BTW, from my understanding, Southbend likes to underrate their clutches. The stage 3 Endurance in the Supra is rated for like 650ft-lb, but it can probably hold a bit more than that.

-Alex {](O_o)[}1993.5 Toyota Supra....with stuff........sorta broken....1998 Toyota Celica....this one, too, has stuff........broken....yeah...definitely broken....

bloodMoney

#356

That's what I'm thinking too Daniel. This engine really doesn't leak, but I'm probably going to be placing an order with GT4Play once I know what the damage is going to be for the bodywork.

Alex: I don't think that I'm needing a Stage 3, as I'm not making all that much power/torque.

Waiting for Luke to jump back in and let us know what he is using.

My big concern is that their PP is going to be like ACT. I HATE the ACT HD Pressure Plate. It caused me all sorts of problems in the ST185.

~bloodMoney

enderswift

#357

I'm 90% sure im running their stage 2 endurance clutch. The disk is an exedy part, and the pressure plate is an exedy part that they modify and paint red. Very streetable clutch

I'm using it in combination with a competition lightweight steel flywheel with the required .02 step height. Absolutely zero problems, as has always been my experience with southbend.

NgoFcukinWay

#358

I have the stage 2 endurance for the Celica as well that I bought through PrimeDriven cuz that's the highest they offer. It's gonna be glued to the Spec flywheel that came with my car. I've yet to have them installed though.

-Alex {](O_o)[}1993.5 Toyota Supra....with stuff........sorta broken....1998 Toyota Celica....this one, too, has stuff........broken....yeah...definitely broken....

bloodMoney

#359

Perfect. Stage 2 endurance it is.

It already has a Fidanza lightweight flywheel in it, so I'm covered there.

This post has been edited by bloodMoney: Jul 17, 2019 - 10:26 AM

~bloodMoney

enderswift

#360

If you're reusing your flywheel then for the love of God make sure you have a .018 - .022 step height surfaced onto it. Much unhappiness and expense will follow if you dont. Ask me how i know...

Edit:

Also, the torque spec for the pressure plate bolts is NOT 14ftlbs as listed in the fsm. Researching showed that 22 ftlbs is appropriate! I had a pressure plate start coming loose because of this. Even the mr2 guys at primedriven recommend 22:

https://primedriven.com/collections/clutche...ure-plate-bolts

This post has been edited by enderswift: Jul 17, 2019 - 12:18 PM

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