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Topic #83514 44 posts Started by kurt95gt
kurt95gt
#1
Ok now that the 1mz is running up to par i want to focus. On the brakes.
I want to delete. The abs an swap the front brakes to the newer gts brakes
Im looking for the links on hows there done so i can do mine
I tried to search but my phone sucks
Thank for the help as alway
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KAOS
#2
Make sure you document this as well. Once my swap is done I want to do the ABS delete as well.
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kurt95gt
#3
I plan on it
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BonzaiCelica
#4
why do you want the newer gts brakes??
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kurt95gt
#5
My understanding was they are better than our stocks
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BonzaiCelica
#6
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QUOTE (kurt95gt @ May 4, 2012 - 9:26 PM) *
>My understanding was they are better than our stocks


you mean the caliper??? the rotors are the same size as our gt's. Ok maybe the gt-s are 5mm larger in diameter.
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kurt95gt
#7
So not not really worth doin on my gt then
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Box
#8
Want to say 7th gen caliper is dual pot, where our's are single pot. Unless it was a ST202 or ST205, they were dual pot too I believe.
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kurt95gt
#9
Ill have to look more into it
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Box
#11
Got to looking at parts. Seems 7th gen Celica is single pot too. It's the MR2 Turbo that had dual pot calipers, along with the ST202 and ST205 if I recall correctly. I think I remember something on here about someone using MR2 Turbo calipers.

I see Ted got to that already, way to go Ted. thumbsup.gif

This post has been edited by Box: May 5, 2012 - 12:05 AM
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BonzaiCelica
#12
mr2 have less surface area than the oem gt calipers. get supertrut celica twin piston calipers. They supposedly bolt up too gt brake bracket.... says forgmann via his forsale thread. but pics are that clear (night pics)

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 6, 2012 - 1:20 AM
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richee3
#13
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QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ May 6, 2012 - 1:20 AM) *
>mr2 have less surface area than the oem gt calipers. get supertrut celica twin piston calipers. They supposedly bolt up too gt brake bracket.... says forgmann via his forsale thread. but pics are that clear (night pics)

They make no difference, per Rusty and S8S8. Bit of a waste of cash unless your car is a track car.

This post has been edited by richee3: May 6, 2012 - 10:23 AM
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BonzaiCelica
#14
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QUOTE (richee3 @ May 6, 2012 - 11:22 AM) *
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QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ May 6, 2012 - 1:20 AM) *
>mr2 have less surface area than the oem gt calipers. get supertrut celica twin piston calipers. They supposedly bolt up too gt brake bracket.... says forgmann via his forsale thread. but pics are that clear (night pics)

They make no difference, per Rusty and S8S8. Bit of a waste of cash unless your car is a track car.


yes true that better surface area! less likely to lock up your brakes on the TRACK!!
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kurt95gt
#15
Ive done my best with this car to keep the major parts from other usdm cars so if/when they need replaced i can just walk in to advance an say i need — part for —car
So the ss-iii calipers are out of the running
Ill probably just stick with the gt brakes an delete the abs if i cant get my brakes to work better after i bleed them again
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jcbass7
#16
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QUOTE (kurt95gt @ May 6, 2012 - 3:43 PM) *
>Ive done my best with this car to keep the major parts from other usdm cars so if/when they need replaced i can just walk in to advance an say i need — part for —car
So the ss-iii calipers are out of the running
Ill probably just stick with the gt brakes an delete the abs if i cant get my brakes to work better after i bleed them again



ABS delete is fairly simple (from talking to others who have done it) just a few new brake lines along the firewall which can be ordered from toyota.

I am converting my car from ABS to no-ABS in the next month or so, I just got all the firewall lines from a parts car that didn't have ABS.
kurt95gt
#17
Could you post up some of the info you know in alittle better detail?
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playr158
#18
Why are you getting rid of ABS?!??!?
jcbass7
#19
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QUOTE (kurt95gt @ May 6, 2012 - 8:37 PM) *
>Could you post up some of the info you know in alittle better detail?


Yea I'll snap some pics and write some more tomorrow

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QUOTE (playr158 @ May 6, 2012 - 8:53 PM) *
>Why are you getting rid of ABS?!??!?


For me its because all my sensors are toast, and I want a cleaner engine bay
kurt95gt
#20
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QUOTE (playr158 @ May 6, 2012 - 8:53 PM) *
>Why are you getting rid of ABS?!??!?

My abs box hasnt kicked on since i done my swap so my brakes are soft
Im hoping new pads rotors an deleting the abs will fix it
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BonzaiCelica
#21
^^^^ get stainless steel braided lines. rebuild your calipers (depends on your car mileage??)

abs is awesome( keeps you from locking up brakes on sudden stops)

unless you track your car I'd say keep your abs??
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playr158
#22
Even most track cars have ABS...shoot LM GT cars have ABS....its stupid not to have it.
I'm converting TO ABS..
KAOS
#23
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QUOTE (playr158 @ May 6, 2012 - 7:53 PM) *
>Why are you getting rid of ABS?!??!?


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QUOTE (jcbass7 @ May 6, 2012 - 8:03 PM) *
>and I want a cleaner engine bay


This ^^
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kurt95gt
#24
Im pretty set on deleting mine since it doesnt work
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Ted95
#25
I have the part numbers for the delete I'll check for them when I get home. I did it to my celi when i swapped in the 3s. It's a lot easier with the motor out but can be done with the motor in. Just need non-abs Lines and master cylinder.

This post has been edited by Ted95: May 7, 2012 - 10:06 AM
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mkernz22
#26
To get ABS when you have a non-ABS setup, just get into the habit of pumping your brakes when you have to stop fast.
I swapped to non-ABS and when I do have to stop fast, my wheels don't lock up. It's fine in the rain as well, but just watch out for sand patches cause those are what will get you from time to time. Just make sure you have grippy tires that aren't almost bald and you'll be fine.

KAOS
#27
rolleyes.gif Who needs ABS.

Its called "threshold braking". thumbsup.gif

ABS is for the inexperienced drivers who panic and slam on the brakes as an initial reaction.
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KAOS
#29
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QUOTE (playr158 @ May 7, 2012 - 10:54 AM) *
>laugh.gif

you silly canadian


tongue.gif It's so true.
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Box
#30
What's scary is driving a 50's or 60's car that weighs 5,000 pounds with manual drum brakes. Learn to bring that to a stop, and you'll be good in anything else. tongue.gif
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