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Stambo
#1
I ended up decided to go pick up this 2nd gen 3sgte engine and trans this saturday. I'm going to bring my compression tester along and just make sure how that is. I'll be posting pictures up as soon as i get them. I hope all goes well.

This post has been edited by Stambo: Feb 12, 2011 - 12:14 PM
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Mstoochn
#2
ye it will work, i duno about the condition of the engine though up to you.
Stambo
#3
he said he had it in his 5gen last fall, but who knows if thats true. I was just gonna turn the crank over and see if thats all right and maybe give er' a go

I'll post up pictures if i pick it up this weekend. He said he got the wiring converted to his car so i figure i'd still need to get that sent out to get fixed

This post has been edited by Stambo: Jan 17, 2010 - 11:56 PM
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lagos
#4
Nice! Make sure he gives you the afm, resistor packs, igniter, etc...
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Stambo
#5
i'm pretty sure he has the afm, not positive. Igniter is pretty much a coil pack? correct?
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Stambo
#6








I just got it today i'm sooo happy from just looking at it. It has the gt tranny from the 5gen is this gt tranny a e153 correct?

Once i get some more time i'm gonna take a look through it and start making a list of what i need electrical wise.

So i guess this will be part of my build thread.
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Mstoochn
#7
5th gen Gt trans is sn S53, which is just horrible in my opinion lol
Stambo
#8
well now i know. Time to start finding parts
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boosted185
#9
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QUOTE (Mstoochn @ Jan 22, 2010 - 3:29 AM) *
>5th gen Gt trans is sn S53, which is just horrible in my opinion lol

Close, the GT trans is a C52, the GT-S trans is an S53. The easiest way to differentiate between the two, think of it this way, C-commuter. S-sport. The C52 has longer gears for better highway MPG. The S53 has tighther clearances inside, and shorter "sportier" gearing. The S53 also takes ATF rather than regular gear oil like the C52.
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SwissFerdi
#10
I don't want to thread-jack, but this is interesting...so the 6th gen ST has the C52, so that means the GT trans from the 5th gen got carried over to the ST of this gen? And then the GT's S54 trans is an evolution of the GT-S S53...I assume.

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Jan 22, 2010 - 2:36 PM
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boosted185
#11
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QUOTE (SwissFerdi @ Jan 22, 2010 - 2:36 PM) *
>I don't want to thread-jack, but this is interesting...so the 6th gen ST has the C52, so that means the GT trans from the 5th gen got carried over to the ST of this gen? And then the GT's S54 trans is an evolution of the GT-S S53...I assume.


lol, OK, that I'm not sure about. I have a 5th gen that I'm doing a 3s swap on, also going from auto to manual, I only researched the manuals that came in the 5th gens, regardless if they were in any other gens.
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keison2000
#12
Holly Crap stambo!!! Where did you pick up the motor, etc. If you need help breaking it down or anything just let me know. Im right down the road... excited about this thread....
Stambo
#13
Cam you think that 5th gen tranny would hold for stock boost for now? If so i was just going to use it till i get all the bugs out with the swap so it runs good before i start thinking about up'in the horse power.

Tomorrow morning i'm going to work to ohm out the sensors that i can to see whats good and bad. I also found a fuel pump relay on ebay i'm keeping my eye on.
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Remy
#14
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QUOTE (boosted185 @ Jan 22, 2010 - 1:26 PM) *
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QUOTE (Mstoochn @ Jan 22, 2010 - 3:29 AM) *
>5th gen Gt trans is sn S53, which is just horrible in my opinion lol

Close, the GT trans is a C52, the GT-S trans is an S53. The easiest way to differentiate between the two, think of it this way, C-commuter. S-sport. The C52 has longer gears for better highway MPG. The S53 has tighther clearances inside, and shorter "sportier" gearing. The S53 also takes ATF rather than regular gear oil like the C52.

Dude thats all wrong info you have their...
5th gen GT/GTS=S53 Tranny and they take 75w90 gear oil not ATF
The C52 is the ST tranny.

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QUOTE (Stambo @ Jan 22, 2010 - 7:20 PM) *
>Cam you think that 5th gen tranny would hold for stock boost for now? If so i was just going to use it till i get all the bugs out with the swap so it runs good before i start thinking about up'in the horse power.

Tomorrow morning i'm going to work to ohm out the sensors that i can to see whats good and bad. I also found a fuel pump relay on ebay i'm keeping my eye on.

I've seen some 5th gen celicas running with a 2nd gen 3s and s53 tranny it'll work but probably won't last long depends on how you drive too.
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Stambo
#15
Thanks for the info i have access to a lift daily so it wouldn't be a problem if i have to pull the tranny out and replace it
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lagos
#16
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QUOTE (boosted185 @ Jan 22, 2010 - 2:26 PM) *
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QUOTE (Mstoochn @ Jan 22, 2010 - 3:29 AM) *
>5th gen Gt trans is sn S53, which is just horrible in my opinion lol

Close, the GT trans is a C52, the GT-S trans is an S53. The easiest way to differentiate between the two, think of it this way, C-commuter. S-sport. The C52 has longer gears for better highway MPG. The S53 has tighther clearances inside, and shorter "sportier" gearing. The S53 also takes ATF rather than regular gear oil like the C52.



Yeah this is not accurate. All 5sfe "gt" 5th gens have an S53.
Assuming its in good shape, it should work just fine. The 5th gen guys have been using them for years in their swaps.
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95st-celica
#17
nice dude...i remember you posting in my thread on how you wanted to swap...your gonna have a blast with it....but it IS a lot of work.

My only advice to ya would be to take your time, dont rush it, and do it right because it will be well worth it. When your drilling the hole through the frame for the pass. side motor mount, i would suggest using thick thread rod, washers, and lock-tight nuts. That seems to be the best way to do it.

I'll be following your thread man, and any questions you have feel free to ask, should be another nice build thread

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Stambo
#18
I didn't take any pictures today but i took the intake manifold off, valve cover, turbo, manifold and cat off. Part washed the valve cover and intake off good. I'll take some pictures when i get to work monday. I was seeing how the shalf play was, the end play there isn't much what so ever but moving the impeller left to right there is some. I'm gonna bring it to school tuesday and check the play in the shaft to see if its in tolerance.

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boosted185
#19
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QUOTE (Remy @ Jan 22, 2010 - 9:24 PM) *
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QUOTE (boosted185 @ Jan 22, 2010 - 1:26 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (Mstoochn @ Jan 22, 2010 - 3:29 AM) *
>5th gen Gt trans is sn S53, which is just horrible in my opinion lol

Close, the GT trans is a C52, the GT-S trans is an S53. The easiest way to differentiate between the two, think of it this way, C-commuter. S-sport. The C52 has longer gears for better highway MPG. The S53 has tighther clearances inside, and shorter "sportier" gearing. The S53 also takes ATF rather than regular gear oil like the C52.

Dude thats all wrong info you have their...
5th gen GT/GTS=S53 Tranny and they take 75w90 gear oil not ATF
The C52 is the ST tranny.

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QUOTE (Stambo @ Jan 22, 2010 - 7:20 PM) *
>Cam you think that 5th gen tranny would hold for stock boost for now? If so i was just going to use it till i get all the bugs out with the swap so it runs good before i start thinking about up'in the horse power.

Tomorrow morning i'm going to work to ohm out the sensors that i can to see whats good and bad. I also found a fuel pump relay on ebay i'm keeping my eye on.

I've seen some 5th gen celicas running with a 2nd gen 3s and s53 tranny it'll work but probably won't last long depends on how you drive too.


Awesome, that comment can be logged under, "don't believe everything you read on the internet" hahaha. My b for misguided info!
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95st-celica
#20
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QUOTE (Stambo @ Jan 23, 2010 - 7:38 PM) *
>I didn't take any pictures today but i took the intake manifold off, valve cover, turbo, manifold and cat off. Part washed the valve cover and intake off good. I'll take some pictures when i get to work monday. I was seeing how the shalf play was, the end play there isn't much what so ever but moving the impeller left to right there is some. I'm gonna bring it to school tuesday and check the play in the shaft to see if its in tolerance.


a little bit of shaft play is no big deal...you'll be fine...mine had some shaft play as well and it spools up like new...not to worry
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Smaay
#22
there is no way a manual tranny uses ATF. thats like 0 WT oil.
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Stambo
#23
Moar pictures, i don't get much time to work on the engine at work so i did what i can.










I'm gonna touch up the paint on the intake manifold, I'm hoping to clean up the wording so it looks a little better. Next week, got lots to do, timing belt, water pump, tstat, oil pan gasket, valve cover gasket, intake gaskets, and the hose from hell and that one hose from hell thats on earth.
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Stambo
#24
well i think the ct26 has to much shaft play, i'm gonna take the safe route and try to find a used one in good conditon or get a rebuild. Any ideas anyone?
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Mstoochn
#25
I have a CT20b if you should need one smile.gif
lagos
#26
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QUOTE (Stambo @ Feb 2, 2010 - 12:32 AM) *
>well i think the ct26 has to much shaft play, i'm gonna take the safe route and try to find a used one in good conditon or get a rebuild. Any ideas anyone?



I have one if you need it. It has some shaft play but not as much as others that I have seen, and never gave me any problems.
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Stambo
#27
thanks, pm sent
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Stambo
#28
I'm going to pull the 7a out this weekend, so big things are to come.

I'm not to sure on to which throttle cable i need to get ahold of for it to work with the 3s anyone know?
Also i'm looking for gt shifter cables if anyone needs to get rid of them.
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speed-CCNP
#29


nice job. Looks good

Keep Posting lots pictures!! smile.gif
lagos
#30
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QUOTE (Stambo @ Mar 11, 2010 - 11:52 PM) *
>I'm going to pull the 7a out this weekend, so big things are to come.

I'm not to sure on to which throttle cable i need to get ahold of for it to work with the 3s anyone know?
Also i'm looking for gt shifter cables if anyone needs to get rid of them.



On a gt, you can use your stock throttle cable, but just make an extension bracket to mount it back a little bit and give the cable the proper tension it needs. You can also use the st185 cable, but its REALLY long, and you might have to creatively move it around so that it doesn't look bad.
Not sure on the ST cable though.
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