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sory to burst your bubble but XRS is discontinued. sad but true! only about 1500 were made. now its just a damn rare car! ugh

well....maybe its just me...but i look at lexus and scion as a toyota much like any other toyota. And when you look at them as a whole i dont think they need a sports car. Like the TC or not...that thing is doing a good job....people are pulling 500hp out of those things now...and thats something to brag about! Then you have the IS....i love the IS...i've always loved them. if i were to get another car it would be an IS....sure its a sedan...but damn thats a sexy sporty car. as far as 2 door...i dont think the TC is too bad at all.

ha, i hate to continue, but....

i did some thinking. toyota's current catchphrase is "moving forward" and i think that says everything we need to know. thats what they do at toyota. move forward. constantly. they don't re-draft old ideas, reinvent old models, or do something they stopped a second time. with the exception of the fj cruiser (the only retro-themed car i think they've ever made), when toyota stops making a car, they stop making that car.

unlike the big three, who continually rename and reinvent cars to try and find new audiences (ex: escort into focus, old mustang look onto new mustang, charger from 2-dr muscle to 4-dr flab, etc.), toyota, honda, and all their peers stick with things that work. the camry, corolla, 4runner, accord, civic, and plenty of others have remained unchanged (in name and category) for decades.

toyota continues to make the camry, for example, because it makes them money, keeps with their reputation for quality and somber performance, and solid sales. they axed the celica because it wasn't the car they wanted it to be anymore. i don't think they'll ever try to reinvent it because they're "moving forward."

i have to say though, neoklis has a really good point about the racing thing....they really don't have a flagship sportscar to ride the coattails of a successful racing team. i suppose it's mostly the truck market they're trying to take.

good talk, guys. what a thread jack, though. sorry about that.

they brought back the mr2...but non turbo/slow/spyder/etc etc...claimed it to be a 6 sec car but actually its an 8 sec car...heheh silly toyota...!....but yeah im done..

Yeah, yeah. We all want new Celica. Preferably AWD with at least 2.0 turbocharged engine. But there will not be one. Accept this. With such requirements we are doomed to Imprezas and Lancers EVO, damn sedans (on Saturday I experienced 94 GT4 making 13,8 sec 1/4 mile run with power below 300 bhp, while brand new EVO IX powered up to 340 bhp was hitting low 13s, pffft).

I've heard that spirit of Celica is to be brought back by some new Scion, do not remember the name - coupe with 2.4 n/a 165 bhp engine. Looks like Chrysler Crossfire on steroids. Disaster.

this thread is useless.

if it ain't broke...

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you all also realize they have the TRD blower for the tC, right?

Toyota = smarter than anyone on this board. period.

mynzeyes = a god amongst insects

Woohoo, a TRD blower for a FWD car! Woo! 200 hp! Woo!

I'm so excited! Woo!

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This is a pointless thread. A bunch of diehards whinning because their car got axed. Seriously who cares what toyota makes? We own 6th gens if we didn't we wouldn't be on this forum. Love your car and if you don't get one that you will.

nothing wrong with this thread. when we bought a Toyota we earned the right to speculate and criticize. The man is just expressing how he feels about a company that he helps drive forward.

I don't think we'll see anything like the celica under the Toyota name any time soon. If they do they'd have to match the power of the rsx and other cars in that category. I think the TC is doing a good job at this. Besides...it would be too expensive....I thought that's the reason the gt4 was never brought over to the states.

How can that be? Is it that people in Japan and other European countries make more money than people in America?

Emissions, cough, emissions...

That and the very unfavorable exchange rate at the time

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you didn't buy stock. you bought a consumer good. that's like me saying that sony isn't being intelligent about the electronics they are coming out with. the right to speculate and criticizie is inherent in everyone, no matter what they own. only when you own a substantial portion of the company does it actually matter, however.

i.e. this thread is useless.

The "moving forward" concept is right in line with their actions, I must say. When Toyota DID have a sportscar lineup, nobody bought the cars... All-Tracs, MR2 Turbos, Supras... None registered anything more than a blip on the sales charts compared to other Toyotas... and that brings us to here, and the 100,000+ a year selling Prius...

sony is killing the ps3 because they are pushing the blue ray technology. share holders are saying "great we'll shock the world with this...gamers are saying "600? f'k that!"

point? consumer or share holder....your rants and raves should be heard all the same way....you're all speaking for the good on one thing...the product!

again...the thread is not useless....it was posted in the General Discussion section and it is a good discussion for a dead day of posting any way. if you're not interested then just don't read it my friend.

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people on this board do not make up anywhere near toyota's target consumer. the majority of this board is a bunch of 16 to 20 year old dreamers. should they produce a car that fits all of the aforementioned criteria, very very few people in this community would even be able to afford it. even then, not everyone would be satisfied. toyota cannot please everyone all of the time. they can only please the majority of people, the majority of the time. they are better at business than anyone on this board. they know what they are doing. that is my argument as to why this thread is useless. i don't think a thread with 40 replies on a board of 6000+ members will make toyota rethink their business model.

toyota was smart to pull their sports cars...they know they werent selling well so they put efforts into their econo boxes that ARE selling well....its not that they cant a develope a great sports car (we know they can) but they know the market better than us...and they will only make what sells.


but nowadays sports cars are coming back...i would love to see toyota put out a sports car that would make nissan sh*t bricks....

i love my Z and its been one of the 10 best selling sports cars for the last 4 years....but toyota needs to step up

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what are the other 9? Theres the rest of the sportscar marketplace

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Not in the $25k price range.

off the top of my head i remember the corvette, 911....cant remember anymore....the z is in the 27-40k market you wont find any cars under that price on that list

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Well that much is true They dont know what Europe is... http://www.thisiswaiting.com/

I figure that i might add a comment here also.
Take a look at the time period in which the MK4 supra and 6th/7th gen celicas were around. What was happening? The SUV craze of the mid to late 90's. Some very good tuner cars died at that time. Although being extremely popular the first 5 generations, the celica began to lose ground from 93 on up, because there was little intrest in cars of its nature due to the rise of the gas guzzling SUV. Supra sales also slowly melted away. And as for the 7th gen, despite the 2ZZ being a fantastic and (as dan put it) a real high revving performance engine, it was to overpriced and to underpowered. I do believe that right now, we are seeing a resurgence of higher performance cars again. (Mustang, Camaro, Charger, Challenger, 350Z) I think that this COULD have an affect on some decisions being made by car compaines (i.e. Toyota) Now, am I saying that, "By me saying this, Toyota will look at it and make different choices!" No. I am saying that, if you take a look at some recent events, like oil prices now climbing higher then ever thus makin larger vehicles even more impractical, you would see that Toyota, being as smart as they are, definitly sees this also. Now, its just time to be patient.

i think toyota really shot themselves in the feet by overpricing the supra/celica/mr2

One simple solution, just bring the turboed AWD Corolla hatchback rally car to America...

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no the rolla is widely known as an econo box here in the states there are only a few that know its rally heritage....the car wouldnt sell here

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Uhh gas is down at least 75 cents in the last 3 months...... and expected to continue decreasing...

Uh, yea, I started this thread, and I wasn't whining about how the Celica got axed and how I want it back so badly.

I just am brand loyal to a company that dissapoints me increasingly, and I wish they'd bring something out to get excited voer for a change. I have a friend who put it best: "A part of you feels better about buying a car from a company when you know they have a kick-ass sports car to be associated with it that you can brag up. Like I'm sure Chevy has sold a few more cars because they're associated with the Corvette."

Yea, toyota needs that car.

And I'd gladly pay damn good money for it. I'm not in the 16-21 high school/college demographic on this board. If they made what I wanted, I'd be the first guy in line at the dealership putting a deposit down.

Bottom line: sports cars DO sell when done right and the sales expecations are modulated correctly; AND they don't have to be gas guzzlers to be fun and fast.

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