darksecret

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I remember a big debate a while back about the Celica being a sports car, well it's considered a Japanese sports car by the Wikipedia. Either way it's opinion but IMO it is seeing as it's somewhat light, good maneuverability, good looks, and can have good performance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports%5Fcar

Valo666

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my insurance considers it and my old 87 supra a 3door station wagon..lol.

Mike

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can't anyone write / submit an article for wikipedia?
they even have lemonparty.org on it

a FWD car can never be a sports car, I don't care what anyone says.

Our cars are economy cars with sports car bodies

DVSBastard

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my insurance considers it and my old 87 supra a 3door station wagon..lol.

Exactly...

Personally, I consider them in the class "Sports Nugget". It looks like a sports car, but it doesn't move like one!

lilsteeg

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so eclipses and integras and other cars cant be sports cars come on, when peopl try to say stuff like that they dont know much anything about anything, you just cannot generalize stuff or else people will make you look dumb, a sports car is just a 2 door car that is designed for performance

Mike

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so eclipses and integras and other cars cant be sports cars come on, when peopl try to say stuff like that they dont know much anything about anything, you just cannot generalize stuff or else people will make you look dumb, a sports car is just a 2 door car that is designed for performance

yeah fwd eclipse is not a sports car, a 3000gt is a sports car
integra is not a sports car, a s2000 or a nsx is

edit: it depends on your opinion

This post has been edited by Mike: Feb 7, 2006 - 7:37 PM

Celicav

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Regardless if it is a sports car or not, I thought that was a very informative site, and all the technical info seemed correct to me. Good find!

RCTCelica

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so eclipses and integras and other cars cant be sports cars come on, when peopl try to say stuff like that they dont know much anything about anything, you just cannot generalize stuff or else people will make you look dumb, a sports car is just a 2 door car that is designed for performance

yeah fwd eclipse is not a sports car, a 3000gt is a sports car
integra is not a sports car, a s2000 or a nsx is

edit: it depends on your opinion

a 3000gt is FWD except for the VR4 which is AWD. FWD's can be sports cars too. type-r's, gs-t's... are sports cars. a sport car is not where the output of where the wheel horse power is from but the amount of WHP it produces. im my opinion a sports car can be AWD, RWD, and FWD.

BlackSTX

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If you compare even the ST to the classic sports cars of the 50's and 60's our cars eat them alive. They weren't even that fast. 0-60 under 10 seconds used to be fast back in the day and a 15 second quarter mile was the standard during the muscle car era. I think handling is a big part of being a sports car, which our cars do just fine at. Most of the exotic cars have left the realm of being a sports car and are now considered "exotics" or "super cars". I think the unofficial criteria for being a super car is 0-60 in under 5 seconds and being able to reach 150 mph. I don't think a car has to meet those standards to be a sports car.

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a FWD car can never be a sports car, I don't care what anyone says.

so rsx-s, civic si, n/a 3000gt (fwd), srt4, eclipse turbo fwd (forgot if its gsi or gsx?) just to name a few arent sports cars?

bboy

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lagos

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a FWD car can never be a sports car, I don't care what anyone says.

so rsx-s, civic si, n/a 3000gt (fwd), srt4, eclipse turbo fwd (forgot if its gsi or gsx?) just to name a few arent sports cars?

bboy

i would have to say no. they fall under the "sporty" category, but are not what i would conider sports cars.

supra, mr2, s2000, rx7, skyline, etc...are what i would call real sports cars. meaning that they are only produced for the enthusiast in mind and are build for performance

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boosted_K2

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guys, c'mon please, this is getting really old trying to justify the celicas place amongst the rest of automotive history... if you are really that insecure about what you are driving then buy something else.

call it a sports coupe, a sports car, a sport compact, an economy car, a hatchback/liftback/coupe, a ****box, an econobox, a saloon car, a rally car, a WHATEVER... it doesnt change the fact that its still only stock at 105-135 HP FWD car in the US pretty decent handling capabilities and was designed to get you from here to there and compete with the likes of the integra, (less Type-R and GSR), Civic (less the SI), the DSMs (less the GS-T, GSX, TSi), the sentra (less the SE-R), etc... they can all be mentioned in the same breath. its not a bad thing what-so-ever im not knocking anything, i loved my celica, and really miss having it (would rather have that any day of the week over my more powerful peppier Cobalt) it really just doesnt matter, you can make it into whatever suits you.

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if you are really that insecure about what you are driving then buy something else.

Like you did?

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boosted_K2

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lol i wasnt insecure about what i was driving. my priorities changed... when i was a sophomore in highschool i just wanted something that looked good and was a manual, and that car was perfect. after having it up till my freshman year in college, i realized after a few autocrosses i wanted to pursue racing. The celica no longer fit the bill so i jumped on teh 3sgte bandwagon with both feet before my head and jumped behind the wheel of a MR2 turbo... started modding the crap out of it... after deciding i wanted to be competitive in racing and didnt have the money to do so in the turbo mr2, it no longer suited me, so i backed down to a stock NA mr2 to hone my skills as a driver, after a while, i will be ready to move on to something a little more powerful and have a little more freedom with the setup i am running, at that point, the MR2 will either get a complete overhaul or i will get a new car that will suit me... i am just saying, it seems like everyone has a problem with the classification their car tends to fall under.

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CelicaZR

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Well the insurance company regards it as a sports car, hence why I am
paying a higher premium.

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boosted_K2

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yupp, and the porsche cayman S was designed to fall under the lowest category there is so you dont pay insurance premiums, and thats a pretty damn sporty automobile its just how much the automaker wants to finagle the details and what they want to put in the books... its supposed to be the budget 911, so they wanted it to have budget insurance.

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trd94

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so eclipses and integras and other cars cant be sports cars come on, when peopl try to say stuff like that they dont know much anything about anything, you just cannot generalize stuff or else people will make you look dumb, a sports car is just a 2 door car that is designed for performance

yeah fwd eclipse is not a sports car, a 3000gt is a sports car
integra is not a sports car, a s2000 or a nsx is

edit: it depends on your opinion

if you say that a sport car cant be a fwd than why do you say the 3000gt is most of them are fwd,also what about the lotis elise i think it deffinitly has a sport car price!!

Bigmeanbulldog55

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if you say that a sport car cant be a fwd than why do you say the 3000gt is most of them are fwd,also what about the lotis elise i think it deffinitly has a sport car price!!

Be careful new guy. Elise is RWD. And I bet he was talking about the VR-4 3000GT. I believe that a FWD can be a sports car, but it's so much easier for a RWD to be one. Most higher performance FWD are family cars reworked. There are some that are real FWD sports. SRT-4, Shelby Omni, Geo Storm GSi, Starlet, Civic Si, RSX, Celica (3sge & 3sgte), Corolla and Levin, amongest others.

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Celica_Fan

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Theres only one sportscar and that is the mazda mx5 (Eunos Roadster) lol. Celica is classed as a coupe usually.

This post has been edited by Celica_Fan: Feb 8, 2006 - 1:54 AM

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blu94gt

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lol any FWD isn't a true sports car. FWD cars can be sporty yes, but IMO none are true sports cars. Yes the VR4 3000GT and GSX (not the GST) Eclipses are a little closer to sports car because theyr'e AWD, but true sports comes in the line of NSX, Corvette, Supra, S2000, Cobra R, Porsche 911, Lotus Elise, etc.

And to the guy who thought the Lotus Elise was FWD...I hope that was just a misunderstanding haha

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Benevolence

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sports car? ... rwd, no roof, built to race

Mike

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a FWD car can never be a sports car, I don't care what anyone says.

so rsx-s, civic si, n/a 3000gt (fwd), srt4, eclipse turbo fwd (forgot if its gsi or gsx?) just to name a few arent sports cars?

bboy

i would have to say no. they fall under the "sporty" category, but are not what i would conider sports cars.

supra, mr2, s2000, rx7, skyline, etc...are what i would call real sports cars. meaning that they are only produced for the enthusiast in mind and are build for performance

thank you

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lol any FWD isn't a true sports car. FWD cars can be sporty yes, but IMO none are true sports cars. Yes the VR4 3000GT and GSX (not the GST) Eclipses are a little closer to sports car because theyr'e AWD, but true sports comes in the line of NSX, Corvette, Supra, S2000, Cobra R, Porsche 911, Lotus Elise, etc.

And to the guy who thought the Lotus Elise was FWD...I hope that was just a misunderstanding haha

and thank you

Mr_E

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And to the guy who thought the Lotus Elise was FWD...I hope that was just a misunderstanding haha

The Elan was. And that was one of the finest handling cars money could buy.

The DC5 is FWD, and will drive rings around 99% of RWD cars available.

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soulshadow

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Really though, sport or not I only consider it a sport car if the engine runs on Premium, has kik a55 features (20V!!!), or is slapped by a turbo. Thats why the celica is not a sports car....Otherwise I would have to pay the price of a sports car....Insurance-wise

Drocay

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When i pay my insurence its SPORT CAR premiums.

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Mr_E

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Funny that. My Celica wants 101 octane fuel, runs well over a bar of boost and has more "kick ass" features than you can shake a stick at.

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easternpiro1

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DAMMIT SCOTT! you havent been around in a bit and LOOK WHAT YOU STARTED!!! LMAO!!

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lol any FWD isn't a true sports car. FWD cars can be sporty yes, but IMO none are true sports cars. Yes the VR4 3000GT and GSX (not the GST) Eclipses are a little closer to sports car because theyr'e AWD, but true sports comes in the line of NSX, Corvette, Supra, S2000, Cobra R, Porsche 911, Lotus Elise, etc.

And to the guy who thought the Lotus Elise was FWD...I hope that was just a misunderstanding haha

ha ha my bad i forgot that the elise is a mid engine rwd ,i was just a little upset when he said that a sport car cant be fwd

pure_dx

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some insurance company's consider ALL 2 doors to be sports car, check around your insurance company and see what they say, every company is different

This post has been edited by pure_dx: Feb 8, 2006 - 12:31 PM

darksecret

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I would like to bring a car that most considers a true sports car, the Corvette, it's 2 door, 2 seat, RWD, handles good for it's weight, runs on premium, and in all it's a true sports car, one problem though is that the 1984 Vette came with a dual throttle body Crossfire 350 that only produced 205 horsepower, now this is a true sports car design yet even a 130hp Celica GT can give it a good run on the track. It's a matter of opinion and even though the '84 was lacking on power it didn't make it any less a sports car, but motor isn't everything.

Also insurance isn't the best judge, I had a '96 Mustang vert V6 that had higher premiums than a Viper, insurance uses a points scale based on different stats (amount of wrecks, vehicle thefts, crash ratings, etc.) . The SN-95 convertible had one of the worst crash ratings for a vert, it also was a lot more common meaning they're in more wrecks, then the Mustang is one of the most stolen vehicles in the US. Insurance doesn't base anything on power now, it's to difficult since you could have a V8 with 145hp and a 4 cylinder with 230hp.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Feb 8, 2006 - 5:57 PM