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Wild202
#1
I brought to you how I solved the problem with a thud on the suspension arms SSS.
I really like to use it SSS suspension arms, because I had the opportunity to compare with McPherson suspension, because like last machine was ST-202.
But after the purchase, I discovered a terrible knock on all the front suspension, which has been difficult to locate.
I started to deal with this problem.

This post has been edited by Wild202: Apr 13, 2018 - 3:20 AM
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Rusty
#2
This may help diagnose your problem...



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For A and B typical replacement kilometres is around 80-120k. but driving style and suspension set up and roads driven on can alter that.
Aftermarket and rebuilt ball joints tend to not last as long, often requiring replacement within 6 months. Even sooner with stiffer springs and shocks by putting more stress on the joints. (So how much is that going to cost you in the long run to maintain it???)

Came across a checklist for checking Super strut. Since it has extra linkages. It causes some issues when trying to diagnose noises in the suspension as it can be hard to pin point which joint has worn.

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- Jack up front of car, remove front wheels.
- take hold of the spring perch (where the bottom of the spring sits) with both hands.
- try to twist the strut.
If the strut doesn't twist, the super strut joints on that side are ok.
If the strut twists (you should be able to see movement in the short s/s arm joints)....
- 1-2mm (measured at the edge of the spring perch) means it will probably pass a warrant but will need replacing quite soon. You might be able to just notice the car wandering a bit when driving over changing road camber or when braking/accelerating.
- more than 2 mm it will probably fail a warrant, it will need replacing. The car will wander over changing road surfaces and change direction noticeably when accelerating or braking. You will know something is wrong!

S/S joints have a huge load on them, from accelerating, braking and going over bumps. The front s/s control arm has a short arm that connects to the suspension strut. The suspension strut has a ball joint that locates the top of the steering knuckle/hub. If the joints at either end of the short arm become worn the suspension strut can rotate. If it rotates it causes the top of the steering knuckle to move forwards or backwards (due to bumps, accelerating or braking). This causes the wheel to point out a bit or in a bit, causing the car to wander left or right without you moving the steering wheel. This can be very dangerous!

STRANGE NOISES?
Creaking noise? Often in Super strut cars the creaking isn't the lower link arm. I've driven a GTZ with super strut with totally rooted lower link arm and it didn't make a noise! It just wandered across the road!

If the lower link arm is shagged - only put in Toyota genuine new!!! Anything else wears out in about 5,000km! (Cost might be a bit more but you won't regret it.)
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Wild202
#7
Continue.
Here are a few photos that would understand the process of revival of suspension arms:
In the photo on the link seen all kinds of plugs, which are used within the arms. This new hub made using the machine with numerical control software.
This complete set of bushes
For service suspension arms SSS.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...dEltWlRkTnlQVm8

This post has been edited by Wild202: Jan 14, 2017 - 12:37 AM
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The_enD
#11
nice stuff
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slavie
#12
That is a lot of work. Looks like you had to break the joints apart, and then machine your own parts to put them back together?

How are the rebuilt parts holding up long term?
Wild202
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>nice stuff

Thank you
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Wild202
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>That is a lot of work. Looks like you had to break the joints apart, and then machine your own parts to put them back together?

How are the rebuilt parts holding up long term?

Yes, of course I make out, I have made a new sleeve for ball joints. Then all I gathered back. The work there is really a lot.
Even more accurate measurements and tolerances.
As I said earlier, I made my suspension arms 3 years ago, since that time I have and go. The machine is used every day in summer and winter.
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Wild202
#16
Now, I do not change my suspension arms on the my ST-205.
I just unscrew the rear cover and changing the worn bushing on the new, I put the new lubricant and spins back. And I have a new suspension arms again.
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Wild202
#17
I apologize for my clumsy English. If anything is unclear, or have any questions, I will try to answer.
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The_enD
#20
Do you sell any of this? Or just for you?
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Wild202
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>Do you sell any of this? Or just for you?

Yes, I can do for you, such suspension arms.
You can send me a private message or you can right here in the topic discussed. As you will be comfortable.
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Wild202
#22
I can explain why I decided to do it.
The thing is that the new OEM suspension arms are sold at very high prices.
Here is an example:
two lines (horizontal) arm - $ 830
Two banana lever - $ 630
two figure 8 - $ 230

total: $ 1,700, it is very expensive for me.
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texasnick
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QUOTE (Wild202 @ Jan 21, 2017 - 11:28 PM) *
>I make the suspension arms are much cheaper and can be used repeatedly. You just unscrew the rear cover and replace with a new sleeve.
Here are some examples of my work:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...OThsY05iUmhlUFk


If you can manufacture these parts and provide details on how to install without pulling the arm assembly off, you will be providing a much needed solution to the age old SSS replacement problem.

This would be a great solution for those of us that are in North America. It is a pain to send 100 lbs of metal to Poland, wait for a rebuild and then pay for them to be shipped back.

Nick
Wild202
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QUOTE (Wild202 @ Jan 21, 2017 - 11:28 PM) *
>I make the suspension arms are much cheaper and can be used repeatedly. You just unscrew the rear cover and replace with a new sleeve.
Here are some examples of my work:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...OThsY05iUmhlUFk


If you can manufacture these parts and provide details on how to install without pulling the arm assembly off, you will be providing a much needed solution to the age old SSS replacement problem.

This would be a great solution for those of us that are in North America. It is a pain to send 100 lbs of metal to Poland, wait for a rebuild and then pay for them to be shipped back.

Nick

No problem. Let's discuss this question.
It can be right there in the theme, I have nothing to hide.
I can do for any such leverage and further maintenance is not very expensive. If you need repairs bushings kits - also no problem.
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