yellowchinaman

#1

The hybrid.
So I believe that the 98+ 5SFE block is suppose to be the strongest and is a direct mate with the rev3 3SGTE Head. Apart from the water jacket needing a bit of drilling? Looking at the comparisons I cant see the difference. Does anyone know?

Smaay

#2

unless you plan on making more than 500 HP, you dont need a 98 block.

other than that its not a direct bolt on, there are some mods you need to do, and you need extra parts. Like 3S-GTE crank gear and sensors and ECU. the distributor is different so you need that too.

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Rusty

#3

Yeah he probably is planning something with his GT-Four. What about mating to the AWD transmission (E154F) too?
(Just pointing out he isn't from the USA)

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yellowchinaman

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QUOTE (Smaay @ Aug 25, 2014 - 8:58 PM)

>unless you plan on making more than 500 HP, you dont need a 98 block.

other than that its not a direct bolt on, there are some mods you need to do, and you need extra parts. Like 3S-GTE crank gear and sensors and ECU. the distributor is different so you need that too.

Yes I intend to go over that and this pretty much covers all the comparability info:
http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/103-3rd-...5sfe-block.html

I plan on slowly building the engine up over the next year but as in the first post, I can't see the difference in water jacket?

As for the transmission mating up Im still researching. I think TB had made an adaptation on the bell housing.

Syaoran

#5

Using a 98+ block from a camry (it's important to stress that it has to come from a 98+ camry, because the celica block is the same 94-99 throughout)
you won't need to do drilling if you get the right head.

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yellowchinaman

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QUOTE (Syaoran @ Aug 26, 2014 - 12:09 PM)

>Using a 98+ block from a camry (it's important to stress that it has to come from a 98+ camry, because the celica block is the same 94-99 throughout)
you won't need to do drilling if you get the right head.

Thanks. So 98+ block matches rev3 head with no drilling needed.
98+ block does cost more.
I am also contemplating if a rev 4 block is any better compared to the 5S.

Syaoran

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QUOTE (yellowchinaman @ Aug 26, 2014 - 2:45 PM)

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QUOTE (Syaoran @ Aug 26, 2014 - 12:09 PM)

>Using a 98+ block from a camry (it's important to stress that it has to come from a 98+ camry, because the celica block is the same 94-99 throughout)
you won't need to do drilling if you get the right head.

Thanks. So 98+ block matches rev3 head with no drilling needed.
98+ block does cost more.
I am also contemplating if a rev 4 block is any better compared to the 5S.

It will match, but you will most likely need the headgasket ATS racing sells for use with the 98 block. The difference for the most part is that thr 98 block is more closed deck than the previous blocks. Using a regular headgasket will impede a lot of the flow to the head iirc.

I would advise to get a gen4 longblock if you can, I think the benefit of a 5s block hybrid doesn't outweigh the cost, on most cases. If anything, I'd do a stroker 4th gen using a 5s crankshaft. But a stock 4th gen is a lot easier and a lot cheaper than doing a hybrid, IMO

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yellowchinaman

#8

4th gen 3SGTE from a caldina?
Does the forged crank off the 5S fit?
The exchange rate is pretty good for me so getting a 4th gen 3SGTE is a lot cheaper at the moment.

Smaay

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QUOTE (yellowchinaman @ Aug 27, 2014 - 10:23 AM)

>4th gen 3SGTE from a caldina?
Does the forged crank off the 5S fit?
The exchange rate is pretty good for me so getting a 4th gen 3SGTE is a lot cheaper at the moment.

jeebus man, dont you know how to use google or the search button. all 3S-GTE cranks are the same!

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yellowchinaman

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QUOTE (Smaay @ Aug 27, 2014 - 7:59 PM)

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QUOTE (yellowchinaman @ Aug 27, 2014 - 10:23 AM)

>4th gen 3SGTE from a caldina?
Does the forged crank off the 5S fit?
The exchange rate is pretty good for me so getting a 4th gen 3SGTE is a lot cheaper at the moment.

jeebus man, dont you know how to use google or the search button. all 3S-GTE cranks are the same!

Wow. Excuse me for confirming.

This post has been edited by yellowchinaman: Aug 28, 2014 - 4:31 PM

Smaay

#11

well you keep asking questions that have been answered. I dont mean to bust your balls. im not attacking you personally.

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ILoveMySilly97

#12

I can't find the post but I remember seeing it had infos about the rev1 3sgte to rev4 3sgte. Also remember reading the rev1 had the strongest block out of the 4 revs.

This post has been edited by ILoveMySilly97: Aug 29, 2014 - 4:56 AM

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yellowchinaman

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QUOTE (ILoveMySilly97 @ Aug 29, 2014 - 5:53 AM)

>I can't find the post but I remember seeing it had infos about the rev1 3sgte to rev4 3sgte. Also remember reading the rev1 had the strongest block out of the 4 revs.

That would be interesting to read. Unfortunately I too cant find that on this forum or google.
I have heard in the past of people using a rev 2 blocks with rev 3 heads for modding since the older blocks where roumered to be stronger. However I cant find any compleated builds of that combination proving to be better.

Syaoran

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QUOTE (yellowchinaman @ Aug 27, 2014 - 1:23 PM)

>4th gen 3SGTE from a caldina?
Does the forged crank off the 5S fit?
The exchange rate is pretty good for me so getting a 4th gen 3SGTE is a lot cheaper at the moment.

5s crank fits in any 5s or 3s block, the main journals are the same on both engines.

You will have to get 5sfe rods. There's a company that makes hbeams for the 5s, called MaxSpeedingRods (the ones i am using), and there is also pauter.

You could grind the crankshaft as well to fit 3sgte rods.

A 3sgte with a 5sfe ceankshaft bumps displacement up to 2.1L. You also get a bit more torque.

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Smaay

#15

^^^^ what he said

again, unless you plan on making stupid crazy horsepower, any block will suit you.

In my All-Trac, I have a 2nd gen 3S block with 5S crank. I had the crank turned and using peened 3S rods. I got everything from ATS racing.

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mikaelhoglund

#16

I have run 600hp and 800nm on a 88 5s block.
It's not a lot of moods you need to do. If you have a complete 3rd Gen 3s engine and a block crank from the 5s, that's what you need. A friend of my used the 5s block and the stock 3s crank and rods, with just new Pistons and run that on 600hp.
If yyou have the 5s block with balanceshafts in you need to block a oil hole to that. Other then that you can use oil and water system directly from the 3s.
Be sure that you use the 3s crank timing gear though the 5s gear have 1 tooth less.
3rd Gen oil system works great and I don't use oil squirters under the pistons ether

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