It is here. The voting. I do not want to make the same mistake as last year so will making voting public. I wanted from everyone who wanted to vote to pick 12 pictures from the list. Not less. Not more. Sadly there were people voting just for one or two cars and ignored effort of others. I know it is not easy to pick 12 (so in fact eliminate 8 nice pictures from 20). So I made decision to give chance to two groups of people.

>>>>a)>> I picked my favorite 12 pictures >>(you can find them on the bottom of this post)>>. If you like my selection OR you just want your calendar (no matter what car is used) vote for DEFAULT. >>Default vote gives one vote to each car in "default selection".>>>>

>>>>b)>> YOU want to pick your own 12 favorite pictures. Vote for OWN SELECTION and post your 12 favorite nick names in this topic (just writing 12 nick names is fine). >>Own selection vote gives also one vote to each car in your selection>>>>.

- Voting ends on 15th of September 2013 (so in two weeks)
- All votes for all entries will be counted together the winner list will be created.

NOTE: after I saw whole group of pictures I just can not help my self but see as bit better calendar cover picture from >>>>>>>>IfWeChoose>> >>>>>>not >>>>>>>>the originally mentioned one from Tigawoods.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vs

So you can mention this in your own selection posts as well (keep cover original OR nominate new one)

This way everyone can check results, everyone can see progress of voting. Below you can see all 20 pictures I received in high resolution = below are all only valid subscribers for voting:
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>>1) Timmyface
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>>2) Tigawoods>>>>

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>>3) Nial>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>4) marcov>>
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5) JoshuaM>>
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6) czwalga>>
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7) malpaso>>
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8) rentaspace>>
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9) cheela>>
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>>>>>>10) IfWeChoose>>
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11) Rusty>>
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>>>>>>12) RoyO>>
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13) HistoriCo>>
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>>>>>>14) drumbum>>
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15) UndaGrwnD>>
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16) BlackWidow>>
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17) chromed>>
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18) williamw1987>>
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>>>> >>>>>>>>>>19) Ehrgeiz>>
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>>>>>>20) PegGTS>>
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>>DEFAULT SELECTION>> (WITH NEW CALENDAR COVER)

IfWeChoose - the cover

Timmyface
Tigawoods
marcov
RoyO
malpaso
cheela
Rusty
HistoriCo
drumbum
UndaGrwnD
chromed
Ehrgeiz



This post has been edited by malpaso: Sep 2, 2013 - 4:59 AM

Looks very good, but my selection for my photo was;

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My bad. It was not clear for me. Sorry for that mistake. I will correct it. Than means I also need to change that default. This picture (even great) is in my personal scale lower than other submitted. Thanks for letting me know soon enough.

NOW UPDATED!

This post has been edited by malpaso: Sep 2, 2013 - 5:01 AM

I choose default selection with cover by Tigawoods

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Me too. Somehow the Tigawoods cover looks so professional.

I outsource all my work to china now


Since I am biased. The cover choice it up to everyone else

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Well do whatever you think, if you prefer the original you can use that - I supplied the full resolution shots of both.

BTW Malpaso, it has been decided already to use the single A4 calendar design, right?

If so, I think it would be really good to see how the images will look with the generic calendar overlay on them as some images suit this much more than others when selecting the final design.

My selection as it stands would be for the default selection with the original Tigawoods cover, and the following change;

replacing

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China? India! Mate, your job is great and much MUCH more professional than my ever can be. I'm just silly enthusiast. You has gift obvious for a first sight. As you can see comments (people want your cover) not my idiotic ideas with the change .

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In terms of picture change I just followed your request and since there were no votes I did that change with no more asking. Now I can not do any more changes. Other people already voted.

There are 8 damn nice pictures that must be removed to have 12 calendar pictures and it is really not easy choice to do that. At least for me. I simply hate this part. I would like to use all just to show respect to everyone who wanted to participate. "Default" selection is my personal preference. There is hundreds of people than can share with own - way different from my one - selection. About your pictures I already wrote in my post I put higher (in my personal scale) original piece you had between submitted. The same way I liked more "crow picture" of Cheela's Celica or previous submission from Ehrgeiz (front shot) because after his change there are 3 white Celicas from the rear and I wanted to pick just one (in matter of fact I picked again his because I liked it the most from those three submitted)...

In terms of calendar layout I remember last year it was 50:50. So some wanted A4 and some A3 design. I like more A4 design but in terms of effort A3 is better. Discussion about this can start in separate topic please. Overall inputs from me:

- A4 design means picture with small calendar grid in it. Where depends on picture (where it fits) and how good/not good looking it should be is the question. Can not say till I see 12 winners.
- A3 design means picture on one page and just grid on the second. No issues with anything. All picture layouts will work (just fit it nicely to A4 page and done)... I have not much time now so it can save me some effort like this = I support simple A3 design after all.

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Oh okay, I was simply referencing your ideas posted on the first couple of pages of the submit your pictures thread, which is why I designed a shot with so much space available at the top of the image I actually prefer the A3 layout myself.

At the end of the day there is only one truly fair and unbiased way of voting and that is to make everybody publicly pick 12 numbers out of the 20 - private voting doesn't work as we found out last year, and even the pre-defined selection is (as you said) your preference but people are lazy and just like those 'Like for X Comment for Y' Facebook memes, everybody knows that the likes will always win. This would also discourage people who had no intent of buying the calendars from voting, as it is public and would require some thought and a couple of minutes of their time.

Default selection is great, would change cover to original by tiga, much more professional imo. That thing looks like a calendar you'd find in the mall!

Default selection.
Tigawoods cover.
Replace UndaGrwnD with JoshuaM. Based on the fact in previous years, with your printer, dark images have not turned out the best, and his image will be a near full black splodgy page. Maybe a little adjustments to JoshuaM's and it will slot in perfect.

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I would agree with this, as much as I want my own photo in there, if the printer can't get the darks out good, then I wouldn't vote for mine..

And if my image doesn't suit the new layout, feel free to change it to the white wheels. I'm sure no one would disapprove of either image. Whatever fits best.

But take a look at older calendars you done with dark images, and reconsider JoshuaM's photo. There's 2 dark ones in there atm.

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DW man, your shot is great, we are just worried with the printer from the previous year

I chose default selection with Tigawoods for the cover.

I chose the default selection: Tigawoods as the cover

I vote for default selection but if the darks won't come out very well then maybe UndaGrwnD, rentaspace and maybe marcov might need different pictures? Just a thought

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I'm not in the default selection...
So it wouldn't matter for me... I don't have time now anyway to go out and get more photos anyway...

Thank you all for participation! Honestly I have expected more posts with own 12 selections. Was it just me who made that effort with selection of 12?

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I will definitely not change anything from default selection now when voting has started. And that exactly why is here possibility to make own selection. If you do not like UndaGrwnD, rentaspace or marcov picture (any reason - and yes "too dark" is also reason) just replace them in your own selection with another that suits you better please.

In terms of printer. I plan to use the same printing company not just because I am lazy to search for another. Reason is because if we make order for 50 calendars (as was last year btw.) they create for such a big batch of printing "sample for approve" and send to me before all 50 are made. The reason is exactly to see how it looks in terms of cropping, colors and lightness. So I see no issue with "dark" pictures. What is mystery for me is the fact why debate about "too dark pictures" is started after collection of pictures is closed (!?) Why ANYONE have not mentioned this when pictures were submitted???? That means a months ago... not "10 minutes after midnight".

There's no real issue with discussing it now, as we do have over 12 images to compensate.
Alot of people have mixed up your poll selections too.

And I think how the people have posted (me included) was your exact 12 but I replaced that one photo. Just didn't type out all the names. I just know last years and the one before my personal images were very dark when hung on the wall. I corrected last years as much as I could, but have learnt from this.

So my entry is YOUR DEFAUT SELECTION. Replace UndaGrwnD with JoshuaM.

/rant

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mate... when talking about "expected more own selections" I was taking about 4 hits in "I will share with my own" and just two posts with clear description (from you and JoshuaM). Where is the rest? Or I did not understood well post from Chromed, Ehrgeiz and snagmor? They are not "default" because they comment the cover or are and just talking about it? Is that means "new cover" has also (now) 14 votes and Tigawoods one has just 4? But they are three... I miss just two "own selection" votes. So it is here again. This system do not work as expected and I really do not know how to write instructions better to make people do something that gives me clear voting results . This is the last year I do something like calendar...

I understand everything your saying, and it is a little confusing with the two options to choose. An it seems some people have chosen your default/whatever you choose, than suffered in here to change the cover.

I think a simple poll like COTM/last year, with all entries would have worked a little better. Sure not everyone would have voted for 12, but if every one at least voted for 2-3 cars, there would still be an outstanding 12 cars.

I say move on from this, but its settled that Tigawoods cover should remain.
I've agreed/helped you out in previous years, so I support whatever decision you choose to make.
Whatever is easier, so we all actually GET a calendar at all

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Mate... COTM voting works just because request is "pick one" and you are looking for one winner. Now I want "pick 12" because am not afraid about "top end of the list" but about the bottom. That means when people make vote just to 2-3 cars there will be half cars with dozens of votes and half with one or two. And that is the point. Result of votes will be like: 35,30,25,24,12,5,6,4,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,1,1,1,1. Just because people selected "top" and had no care about the "bottom"?

That is why my aim was to make that effort at least my self. Pick 12. Share and:
a) let people just follow (because their preferred 2-3 cars are in my selection anyway and they do not care about the rest).
b) give chance to those who want and make the same effort to create own selection.
Everyone should be happy.

just let people vote now, how it was intentded to be and see what happens..

Just a suggestion for future:
You could use a site such as Survey Monkey which is free and would mean people HAVE to pick 12 to get their vote counted...

but I looove UndaGrwnD's photo!! Keep it! Keep it!

I like it too!!