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azian_advanced
#1
I just saw this on the TOM'S racing page and never heard of this engine ever existing.




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>Complete Engine 2.2 Liter 3S-G
- MSRP/ 1,365,000 Yen (1,300,000 Yen w/o tax) ~ (Price will vary due to customization) Product made upon purchase
- Specs/ Displacement 2,253cc, Bore x Stroke 87.0x94.8, Max Power 172kW(235ps)@6,800rpm, Max Torque 255Nm(26.0kgf-m)@4,400rpm
- Components/ 2.2 Liter Forged Pistons, 2.2 Liter Crankshaft, F3 Gasket, F3 Camshafts (IN&EX 256), TEC2 Computer, Lightened Flywheel
- Vehicle Application/ MR2 (1989~1997 SW20 equipped with 3SGE), Other Vehicles Equipped with 3SGE (Excludes VVT-I engines)
For Further Details (TEL:0550-89-8397)


~$14,000 USD

Source: http://www.tomsracing.co.jp/products/parts...s.php?mprID=285
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RabidTRD
#2
Seeing that price is probably why it isn't in anyones car lol.
1994 Toyota Celica GT-S 5S-FE 190k Miles. Project car1992 Toyota Celica GT 5S-FE 170k Miles. Daily driver/beater1999 Toyota Camry LE 5S-FE 216K Miles. RIP You will be missed.*ASECertifiedGeneralManager
Rusty
#3
sweet picture biggrin.gif

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can get finer details if people want them?

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Box
#4
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QUOTE (RabidTRD @ Aug 15, 2013 - 10:51 PM) *
>Seeing that price is probably why it isn't in anyones car lol.

Indeed. I can think of so many other things to buy that'd be better. redface.gif
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cheela
#5
at that price you can convert your car to a legit GT-four.
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RabidTRD
#6
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QUOTE (cheela @ Aug 16, 2013 - 9:17 AM) *
>at that price you can convert your car to a legit GT-four.

Or pay someone off to import one in really good condition lol. Unless by convert you mean converting those little metal plates lol.
1994 Toyota Celica GT-S 5S-FE 190k Miles. Project car1992 Toyota Celica GT 5S-FE 170k Miles. Daily driver/beater1999 Toyota Camry LE 5S-FE 216K Miles. RIP You will be missed.*ASECertifiedGeneralManager
Syaoran
#7
So a high compression 5S-GE N/A with cams and useless exhaust-cam VVT-i does 231 flywheel HP and that's impressive?

Ni**a plz... Get a 3SGTE head, slap it on your 5S, get 3rd gen 3SGE cams and 11:1 comp pistons and you'll probably have 231 wheel horsepower with a proper tune.
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ILoveMySilly97
#8
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QUOTE (Syaoran @ Aug 16, 2013 - 8:57 AM) *
>So a high compression 5S-GE N/A with cams and useless exhaust-cam VVT-i does 231 flywheel HP and that's impressive?

Ni**a plz... Get a 3SGTE head, slap it on your 5S, get 3rd gen 3SGE cams and 11:1 comp pistons and you'll probably have 231 wheel horsepower with a proper tune.


That's exactly what came in mind once I saw the 2.2. Lol. The 5s block can provide a lot of power. It's just the fe head that makes it lack power.
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bnr32celica
#9
Fappin' all day, fappin' all night.

I NEED this. Who needs their inheritance early? I'll do it!
Red123
#10
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QUOTE (cheela @ Aug 16, 2013 - 8:17 AM) *
>at that price you can convert your car to a legit GT-four.

I always wanted to ask that question.
Usually how much $ is necessary to convert celi to a full GT-Four in USA?


Thanks
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Rusty
#11
Pistons & crank developed from the F3, JTCC.
2,253cc, Φ87mm 94.8mm. CR unknown
the 5S-FE is
2,164cc Φ87.1mm 90.9mm

In & Ex cams: 256deg, 10.5mm lift

Factory:
In: 252deg, 9.8mm lift
Ex: 240deg, 8.2mm lift

Not a whole lot bigger, though it isn't higher reving. Would have been nice to see the specs of '@ 1mm valve lift' instead of advertised duration.

Also that price is from when it first came out in the 90's, so price has probably dropped.



It doesn't have any VVT-I. Seems a bit pointless sourcing a gen 3 3SGTE head and then 3SGE cams. Just get the gen 3 3S-GE head with the cams in it already, as the heads are pretty much identical.

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Syaoran
#12
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QUOTE (Rusty @ Aug 19, 2013 - 9:01 PM) *
>Pistons & crank developed from the F3, JTCC.
2,253cc, Φ87mm 94.8mm. CR unknown
the 5S-FE is
2,164cc Φ87.1mm 90.9mm

In & Ex cams: 256deg, 10.5mm lift

Factory:
In: 252deg, 9.8mm lift
Ex: 240deg, 8.2mm lift

Not a whole lot bigger, though it isn't higher reving. Would have been nice to see the specs of '@ 1mm valve lift' instead of advertised duration.

Also that price is from when it first came out in the 90's, so price has probably dropped.



It doesn't have any VVT-I. Seems a bit pointless sourcing a gen 3 3SGTE head and then 3SGE cams. Just get the gen 3 3S-GE head with the cams in it already, as the heads are pretty much identical.


2nd gen GTE head, 3rd gen cams (very common mod) is what I meant. It's a lot cheaper than sourcing a 3rd gen 3S-GE head in the US...
1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold1994 Celica GT Liftback
Red123
#13
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QUOTE (Red123 @ Aug 19, 2013 - 5:48 PM) *
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QUOTE (cheela @ Aug 16, 2013 - 8:17 AM) *
>at that price you can convert your car to a legit GT-four.

I always wanted to ask that question.
Usually how much $ is necessary to convert celi to a full GT-Four in USA?


Thanks

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CAcelica29
#14
how feasible is it to really build a performance hybrid version of the 5sfe? just curious as to what the reality of it being built is.
Syaoran
#15
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QUOTE (CAcelica29 @ Aug 30, 2013 - 2:59 AM) *
>how feasible is it to really build a performance hybrid version of the 5sfe? just curious as to what the reality of it being built is.


Very feasible. Nobody has done it because it's an all-custom build. 5S-FE block and crank, 3SGTE head, hybrid pistons, rods...etc. The power will really be at 11.5:1 compression, high lift cams (10mm lift minimum) with decent duration, etc...
1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold1994 Celica GT Liftback
Rusty
#16
I know putting GE cams into a GTE head is pretty well known, but still seems odd to me to use the older gen 2 head, with the valve/shim set up (but if you're putting new cams in then you're most likely going to address this) and the ports which had tvis and poor flow from memory.

22#deg @ 1mm valve lift for the cams, maybe a staggered set up for more mid range.


another thing is a reverse head set up...




300hp NA 2L 3S-GE 8,500rpm rev limit
reversed head
dry sump
slide throttle body
6 Speed Sequential DBR box with electronic flat shift
Carbon/carbon clutch
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CAcelica29
#18
so basically it hasnt been done because a 3s swap is alot easier.
Rusty
#19
it is a 3S...
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6strngs
#20
I doubt you could get your hands on one of these engines if you tried. They were most likely built for race teams that wanted the best of the best. Sure you could build a hybrid engine for cheaper, but you're comparing a budget garage build to a fully built stroker engine made by a high-end brand name company.

This post has been edited by 6strngs: Sep 15, 2013 - 12:39 AM
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