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Antz5SFE

last night i was in 3rd gear in between 4 & 4.5k rpms & shifted to 4th but started to come to a yellow light so i quickly braked & downshifted to 3rd again right away never even hit the gas in 4th & was off of the gas completely at this point. the rpms kept rising even as i came to a stop & i put the clutch in & threw it in neutral as soon as i saw the rpm's climbing. they stayed at around 6k until i shut the car off maybe a second later...& all the oil spilled out of the block.

i wont know for sure what exactly is wrong until i get the car up in the air but it seems like there's a hole in the block. i'm trying to gather my options....the best thing to do would be to either do a full swap or get something else?

i was not redlining in any gear neither have i ever bounced off the rev limiter in this car. it's a 95 GT w/ a gt-four front conversion. 90k original miles. oil was always changed religiously.

This post has been edited by Antz5SFE: Feb 11, 2013 - 6:58 AM

Tigawoods

put the car up and have a look. sounds like a hole in the block. or something serious with the oil pump.

cheela

whatever it is. it sounds pretty seriuos.

richee3

Until you can check the block, you might check the throttle cable and throttle body, make sure both move freely. There has to be some reason the engine revved up the way it did.

Special_Edy

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QUOTE (richee3 @ Feb 11, 2013 - 10:56 AM)

>Until you can check the block, you might check the throttle cable and throttle body, make sure both move freely. There has to be some reason the engine revved up the way it did.

As tigawoods said a possible issuewith the oil system. The oil pump eats an enormous amount of energy, if it suddenly had nothing to grab but air I could see the rpms rising. Maybe a few hundred rpm though not to 6000.

The most logical guess I can figure is that either you cracked the head which allowed air into the intake ports or some shrapnel/projectiles from your block caused a massive vacuum leak into your intake manifold. The computer can't recognize the difference between a massive vacuum leak and WOT(the TPS isn't that integral), so with a leak it just dumps the appropriate amount of fuel into the engine and the motor revs out of control.

Antz5SFE

there's a hole in the back of the block...so what's my best bet to beams swap or just get another car? i would get a 3sgte but i dont even have enough money right now for a beams

richee3

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QUOTE (Antz5SFE @ Feb 11, 2013 - 9:47 AM)

>there's a hole in the back of the block...so what's my best bet to beams swap or just get another car? i would get a 3sgte but i dont even have enough money right now for a beams

V6 swap. Cheaper and more readily available than a BEAMS, much better power curve, not that much more difficult to drop in than another 5S.

Antz5SFE

i'll look into it richee. thanks for all your support guys. this all happened way too quick. i have about $800 worth of parts at my house for the 5s too.

Antz5SFE

any rough estimates on a completed v6 swap? no labor costs

Tigawoods

Ugh. Thats really unfortunate.
I'm not familiar with the cost of v6 swaps.
But since you've already stacked up 5s parts. You could find another 5s just as quickly and drop that in no problem.

This post has been edited by Tigawoods: Feb 11, 2013 - 1:57 PM

Antz5SFE

i'd absolutely love another 5s. i'm really not ready to get rid of her yet. but me & my dad called around local places & cant find even one 5s. anybody know where i might have some luck finding one?

Tigawoods

this is where I got my rebuilt block from
http://www.theengineshopinc.com/home.html

they might charge you and arm and a leg for a full rebuilt block and head, or you could just grab a block and keep the head you have now.

there was a shop I went to get new shims from and they told me that they primarily do rebuilds for toyota's let me do some digging around because I cant remember what the name of the shop was.

Special_Edy

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QUOTE (Antz5SFE @ Feb 11, 2013 - 2:00 PM)

>i'd absolutely love another 5s. i'm really not ready to get rid of her yet. but me & my dad called around local places & cant find even one 5s. anybody know where i might have some luck finding one?

Generation 3 and 4 Toyota Camrys(1992-2001) will have either the 1MZ-FE or the 5S-FE. You can easily find a whole car thats totaled or has a blown transmission on craigslist for $600 or less. Just pull out the good 5sfe or 1mz engine from the camry, toss the crap 5sfe into the camry and sell the carcass to the junkyard for $200-300.

Smaay

car-part.com i still have the 5S that came in my car.

mkernz22

I have a 5s block with only 127k on it, but it's all the way over in MA

Antz5SFE

the first thing i said when i saw the hole was "now me & the mad scientist gotta rip apart the block..." lol. i'll deff look around some more i was doing a lot of research while at the shop earlier but fell asleep right when i got home cause i didnt sleep at all last night. i feel so bad for her. that engine should have lasted a longggg time. Definitely want to go 5s again though as i feel i'm not ready for a swap yet. If only the head blew i'd just get a 3sgte head.

This post has been edited by Antz5SFE: Feb 11, 2013 - 8:37 PM

Antz5SFE

i found a block my dad really likes but i feel $850 is too much. it's brand new oem not rebuilt. what do you guys think?

Box

Pull-A-Part my friend. Plenty of Camry donors, and it'll cost like $150? or so for a complete engine. I don't see how you blew a hole in the block though doing what you did. I guess it was just its time to go.

Scratch that, the closest one to you is over 400 miles away. Still $850 for a block is asinine, you could buy a whole car for less than that.

This post has been edited by Box: Feb 12, 2013 - 7:24 PM

Antz5SFE

i just found quite a few 5sfe's within & around 50 miles away. one from a 92 celica w/ 107k. one from a 95 gt w/ 153k..

Bitter

Camry 5S is different, has a balance shaft.

Tigawoods

Grab as low as you can get. Its still the "off season" so you have some time to search for a low milage (itll be very hard to find one though) and get your car back together for spring time

Antz5SFE

gonna go with the brand new oem short block. there's nobody i trust more than my dad when it comes to cars & he is sure this is the best way to go about it. my engine will basically be brand new. instead of buying a 5s with no idea of how it was treated for 500-600 i can do it this way for another $200 or so.

This post has been edited by Antz5SFE: Feb 13, 2013 - 12:32 AM

Tigawoods

good plan. thats what I did. After 6 years or so Im on 75,000 miles with no problems

Smaay

850 for a brand new shortblock? if that is what it is, you will need some gaskets and have to transfer everything over from your block

Antz5SFE

scratch that short block. it's in L.A. & they want close to $250 for shipping. what if we bought a rebuilt long block & build it up? looking to revive my project thread soon, i started tearing down the engine today.

Tigawoods

i got my longblock from the link I had posted earlier. they are right outside of philly

mkernz22

I have a short block with 127k on it and I still have the head and IM for it as well.
Not sure how I would ship it, but I would let it go for cheap since I don't need it.

Antz5SFE

yeah i know i am checking them out right now tiga, thanks for the link. do you think it is worth it to build the block on a 5s?

Tigawoods

found this!
http://www.alltrac.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=46508

if you plan to turbo the motor then yes. But I wouldnt waste the $. Put that towards other things

Antz5SFE

if everything goes as planned today let's just say i wont be running a 5s.

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