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presure2
#31
Guys are making power up and over 8800rpm with 272's, man..check out this comparison that was done forever ago.
http://blog.cj-motorsports.com/2006/08/24/...shaft-test.aspx

its got real world results with a selection of diffrent cams.

the toda 280* cams on that page are still making power @ 9100rpm.

the good thing is if ya look at the build, theres nothing crazy in it, all off the shelf parts, and all easily repeatable.
Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)13.6@108MPH, 5SFTE Powered
Special_Edy
#32
Wont the turbocharger help it breath significantly? Kind of negates the need for a crazy duration or lift youd need with an NA. Couldnt you just run the 272 you were talking about a few degrees more advanced?

This post has been edited by Special_Edy: Jan 19, 2013 - 6:52 PM
Smaay
#33
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QUOTE (presure2 @ Jan 19, 2013 - 8:27 AM) *
>Guys are making power up and over 8800rpm with 272's, man..check out this comparison that was done forever ago.
http://blog.cj-motorsports.com/2006/08/24/...shaft-test.aspx

its got real world results with a selection of diffrent cams.

the toda 280* cams on that page are still making power @ 9100rpm.

the good thing is if ya look at the build, theres nothing crazy in it, all off the shelf parts, and all easily repeatable.


well there ya go, real answers. thanks for posting


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QUOTE (Special_Edy @ Jan 19, 2013 - 3:51 PM) *
>Wont the turbocharger help it breath significantly? Kind of negates the need for a crazy duration or lift youd need with an NA. Couldnt you just run the 272 you were talking about a few degrees more advanced?


yes forcing the air in will make it easier, but the more air the better.

keep in mind going to large cams like this and you will need to upgrade to 1ZZ buckets
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
Rusty
#34
hit up kelford cams in new zealand, they list a range of specs for the gen 3 3S-G including custom, and are very knowledgeable people. what are your factory cam specs @ 1.0mm or 0.050"
ST202 SS-II CELICA threadNew Zealand members check inSticky thread's: How to contribute and troubleshoot.
Neon90424
#35
thanks for all the info guys! really appreciate it! engine is now on its way here, 450$ bucks of shipping smile.gif so In total 1500$ for a 3sgte delivered to my doorstep
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celica74
#36
Your insane! i like it! Youll not only need almost a full on race cams, titanium valve-train, fully forged bottom end, and a pretty hefty tune. But also a turbo that will be able to keep up. If you going to go 10k rpm, you might as well shoot for 500+hp. I would also try to square out the piston travelxbore. The more square the better and the higher you can rev. Good luck.
Neon90424
#37
The engine has arrived, time to get it to the shop and start tearing it a new @
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Neon90424
#38








Got the engine, took it apart, one rod bearing has some scuffing and everything else looks great and stock...

time to sell out all the crap that was left out
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Neon90424
#39
engine is in the machine shop, forged pistons .5 over and 1mm+ valves on their way, arp and acl goodies aswell
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Neon90424
#40
Ordered BC valve springs GSC 274 cams, cam pulleys, fuel rail, wastegate spark plugs and a clutch...Trying to find Fueltech FT-400 to buy stateside
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bloodMoney
#41
If you're serious, jump on alltrac.net and PM alltrac101. His name is Pat and he has done a TON of research on getting that ST185 to that 210mph mile.

Who the hell cares if its streetable? If 10k rpm is what you want, build it! I can't say that I haven't thought about building a top speed car that revs out to the tune of 10k...

Good Luck!
~bloodMoney
Neon90424
#42
thanks man I didn't know that forum was still active I think Im registered on there but it has real low traffic i believe...If he has a build thread I would love to imprint it to my retinas...

The whole appeal down here to the SS3 Is how damn sexy it sounds when it revs....

combine that to BOV and turbo whistle and launch control... jizzed my pants
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Special_Edy
#43
I finally figured it out, you just want to be able to say "ITS OVER 9000!!!"
Neon90424
#44
>_<! DAMN! you got me buddy...Gonna wear a vegeta mask throught out the race...I'm bid on the engine final price should be 1018$ for the 4th gen 3sgte shipped to my courier and my courier will buttfuk me to ship it down home
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delusionz
#45
laugh.gif
Mike W1996 Toyota Celica ST205 GT-FOURGT2860RS turbine, TiAL mvr44, JE 86.5φ piston, Clutchmasters FX400, APEX P-FC269awhp / 273ft-lbs
Smaay
#46
you gotta remember something if you are not making power at 10K, then there is no point in being there. let say you reach peak torque at 7000RPMs then there is no point in going any higher except to shift and land back in the power band.
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
Neon90424
#47
you've seen many dyno charts I believe smaay, how far up the RPMs do 272 cams breathe?
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Neon90424
#48
Engine is bought and shipped for 1 grand. This project now has a green light biggrin.gif its out of the BS zone lol
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Smaay
#49
i think 272 cams peak out around 6800 RPMs i cant remember but its somewhere close to 6800-7000
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
Neon90424
#50
hmmm, ok so I need some ridiculous custom made cams then...
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presure2
#51
Guys are making power up and over 8800rpm with 272's, man..check out this comparison that was done forever ago.
http://blog.cj-motorsports.com/2006/08/24/...shaft-test.aspx

its got real world results with a selection of diffrent cams.

the toda 280* cams on that page are still making power @ 9100rpm.

the good thing is if ya look at the build, theres nothing crazy in it, all off the shelf parts, and all easily repeatable.
Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)13.6@108MPH, 5SFTE Powered
Special_Edy
#52
Wont the turbocharger help it breath significantly? Kind of negates the need for a crazy duration or lift youd need with an NA. Couldnt you just run the 272 you were talking about a few degrees more advanced?

This post has been edited by Special_Edy: Jan 19, 2013 - 6:52 PM
Smaay
#53
>
QUOTE (presure2 @ Jan 19, 2013 - 8:27 AM) *
>Guys are making power up and over 8800rpm with 272's, man..check out this comparison that was done forever ago.
http://blog.cj-motorsports.com/2006/08/24/...shaft-test.aspx

its got real world results with a selection of diffrent cams.

the toda 280* cams on that page are still making power @ 9100rpm.

the good thing is if ya look at the build, theres nothing crazy in it, all off the shelf parts, and all easily repeatable.


well there ya go, real answers. thanks for posting


>
QUOTE (Special_Edy @ Jan 19, 2013 - 3:51 PM) *
>Wont the turbocharger help it breath significantly? Kind of negates the need for a crazy duration or lift youd need with an NA. Couldnt you just run the 272 you were talking about a few degrees more advanced?


yes forcing the air in will make it easier, but the more air the better.

keep in mind going to large cams like this and you will need to upgrade to 1ZZ buckets
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
Rusty
#54
hit up kelford cams in new zealand, they list a range of specs for the gen 3 3S-G including custom, and are very knowledgeable people. what are your factory cam specs @ 1.0mm or 0.050"
ST202 SS-II CELICA threadNew Zealand members check inSticky thread's: How to contribute and troubleshoot.
Neon90424
#55
thanks for all the info guys! really appreciate it! engine is now on its way here, 450$ bucks of shipping smile.gif so In total 1500$ for a 3sgte delivered to my doorstep
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celica74
#56
Your insane! i like it! Youll not only need almost a full on race cams, titanium valve-train, fully forged bottom end, and a pretty hefty tune. But also a turbo that will be able to keep up. If you going to go 10k rpm, you might as well shoot for 500+hp. I would also try to square out the piston travelxbore. The more square the better and the higher you can rev. Good luck.
Neon90424
#57
The engine has arrived, time to get it to the shop and start tearing it a new @
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Neon90424
#58








Got the engine, took it apart, one rod bearing has some scuffing and everything else looks great and stock...

time to sell out all the crap that was left out
What I think when you think I care
Neon90424
#59
engine is in the machine shop, forged pistons .5 over and 1mm+ valves on their way, arp and acl goodies aswell
What I think when you think I care
Neon90424
#60
Ordered BC valve springs GSC 274 cams, cam pulleys, fuel rail, wastegate spark plugs and a clutch...Trying to find Fueltech FT-400 to buy stateside
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