Just to give my 2 cents of relevance, brand new with all the options my 1999 Celica cost around $30,000. Compare that to the price of the GT86/FRS/BRZ and what you get from it.

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The 99 GT liftback started at $21,440. Still, I see what you're saying. $4,000 more and you get 65 more hp in a RWD format. Of course, count in inflation and that 99 Celica would cost $29,647 for the starting price.

This post has been edited by Box: Oct 2, 2012 - 3:04 PM

Martin - you took all this WAY WAY too personal... I never wanted to insult or make you feel bad about this topic - if i did - i would never put any smiles in my writings... But OH WELL...

One point should be considered - its really hard to judge the car after simple test drive - thats all.. And for me - this is strange then people give STRONG opinions after driving ANY CAR (not only FRSGT86BRZ) just after few Km's... The reason i got in this discusion - is that i live my last 5 years over GT-Fours daily - i work on them, drive them - even have personal one... And i know this car just as YOU DO. And i was feeling EXACT The same way after first 100 miles in FRS JUST LIKE you wrote. But everything changes once you spend more time in FRS...

Anyway - dont get personal, sorry if you was feeling somehow bad and was thinking im trying to some how bash your option - this isnt so. Just dont see a point doing so.

But one question - i will answer for you >

Because i spent way too much time between some of these guys here then you where NOT EVEN AROUND here, because i spent LAST 12 YEARS with 6GC celicas - and because i had MORE THEN 40 of them in my freaking life Because i can put this car from pieces, and because i still work on them and i guess i will do till i die Maybe this is why im still here lol I thought you knew this (read this in a FUN WAY, and cheer up.)

This post has been edited by doGGy: Oct 2, 2012 - 4:34 PM

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Oh, my research came back as starting at $24,730. Then we have all the options mine came with.

This post has been edited by Xander_X: Oct 2, 2012 - 4:22 PM

http://www.carsdirect.com/ Has the original MSRP and invoice price on most cars.

This post has been edited by Box: Oct 2, 2012 - 7:01 PM

i agree, i will not pay 40k for a lego car.

The fact its a scion here, made it affordable.

i have the sticker price of my vert ant it was 26 grand. that dont lie. sorry. no cars direct will tell me different. sorry.

then again.

everyone is entitled to an opinion, and mine is we are having an argument over nothing.

because those of us that drive an FRS right now, could not care less about anything, except having fun driving it. and i bought mine out of impulse, because it was so..... fun.

so... Chill, relax, and enjoy the site.

Me ill enjoy my car.... LOL,

Yeah, but dealers charge more than MSRP at times. So, yeah dealers suck. That and the convertible started at $25,009 MSRP.

This post has been edited by Box: Oct 2, 2012 - 9:48 PM

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Box... again. Do you have any idea why I wrote this article? You think it was about to find "better car, for whatever situation"? Do you understand from what I wrote I deny there I no any better car? I simply miss the point of your answers. The point why you bringing them here. Especially after I already gave answer to you on 'Sep 30, 2012 - 3:44 PM' by post #'989171'. That is all.

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Pity you never used smiles when writing how you can not read my topic because it is full of lies. To say someone is not saying true is damn personal...

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So when you followed quotation above with comparison of my priories of life and yours in style "my is right, your is not" it was just about enough for me. For me is all right you have different priories of you life. I just cannot follow "me, my self and no one else" philosophy. I prefer to share with friends or family moments I enjoy in my life. Not being alone when I'm happy. But that do not mean I can say "your way is wrong". I respect it but will not follow. That's it. Anyway. As you see this has nothing to do with GT86 vs Celica.

In this topic I never meant to talk about life priorities or preferences but about cars. When making any conclusions only based on general facts (anyone can find & check) and personal feeling (and every time I wrote personal feeling I mentioned that situation and explained why). Reason is to describe as much as possible "my scales" and let other people to make own one. To give them chance to "re-calibrate" personal opinion against mine (because it is obvious everyone can have different priorities). I just described conditions under I had chance to test it and feeling I had. Nothing else. No conclusion how bad/great/better/worse car it is. Really if you can find enough strength and read my first topic you can see it. Loud and clear.

To my asked question "Why you are between 6gc enthusiasts?". From you wrote from very beginning I had feeling you forgot where you are and what people you can find here. This is not general car-enthusiast forum. People here are interested in '94-'99 Toyota Celica cars. That is why is relevant to compare GT86 just to those cars (what ever are different). Just to Celicas. Also the fact 86 concept it self was presented from first moment as 8gen Celica everyone here focused on it. My point never was to review the car but at least to compare it with Celicas in only way it could be compared. By numbers + describe my feeling driving it first time (under conditions I already mentioned). What followed got us in this moment...

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etc... just responses showing you do not understand what I wrote and why (probably because you do not read it or you are light years away from Celica enthusiasts and not able to understand it... I do not know). I really have nothing more to say about this topic. Have fun with it the way you wish.

Where are the mods??

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I think you simply miss the point of the English language.

i think this thread should be locked it is not anywhere near what the orginal topic is about and seems to just be a fight about personal opions and assumptions now

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$26,000 in 1997 would be worth $37,142.86 in 2012

So your vert was almost $40,000 if you adjust for inflation.

In contrast, $24,930 (Sticker price on my FR-S) would be worth $17,451.00 in 1997

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in mod heaven..

seriously guys.

STOP.



Hammertime...

I like boobs ......


I find that you can walk into ANY heated conversation, men or women, state "I like boobs ... " and everyone will stop arguing and all agree with you. Hmmm ... unless the argument is about liking boobs ....

Boobs are amazing
They could bring world peace if we let them lol

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ARRRGGHH THIS HAS MADE ME ANGRIER AND NOW I MUST ARGUE MOORREE!!!!!

I prefer boobies in the GT86 (FR-S)...

...but that's just me. :shrug:

Did someone say boobs?



This post has been edited by richee3: Oct 3, 2012 - 4:41 PM

Did someone say breasts?

SEE! "EVERYBODY HAPPY!"

i think we are all bitter at the fact that a subaru engine is sitting in a toyota chassis!!

im not bitter, i really dont care, i love the boxer engine, different feeling.

man this car is subaru all over, it just has the scion badge and backed by toyota. but i dont care. Its fun to drive. thats what matters.

you should see the threads, in the forums, its stamped subaru everywhere. but i dont care, its rare where i live, and gets all the attention and looks!!