Ok guys I wana know if the 3sgte out of an MR2 is a direct bolt in to my 97 Celica ST. Please help. I've been told so many different things.
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No.
You'll also need a transmission.
3S-GTE will bolt in to a GT Celica with the 5S-FE engine and the S54 5-speed trans on the GT Celicas is compatible with the 3S-GTE.
You'll also need a transmission.
3S-GTE will bolt in to a GT Celica with the 5S-FE engine and the S54 5-speed trans on the GT Celicas is compatible with the 3S-GTE.
1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold1994 Celica GT Liftback
for the amount of money you are going to spend on a 3S-GTE swap, you will spend half on a V6 swap
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I knew I needed another transmission. I just wana know if the motor out of the MR2 is the same as the one out of an ST205.
QUOTE (Syaoran @ Sep 18, 2012 - 5:23 PM) 
>No.
You'll also need a transmission.
3S-GTE will bolt in to a GT Celica with the 5S-FE engine and the S54 5-speed trans on the GT Celicas is compatible with the 3S-GTE.
You'll also need a transmission.
3S-GTE will bolt in to a GT Celica with the 5S-FE engine and the S54 5-speed trans on the GT Celicas is compatible with the 3S-GTE.
I knew I needed another transmission. I just wana know if the motor out of the MR2 is the same as the one out of an ST205.
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Not to mention the V6 makes the same power as the 2nd gen 3S-GTE, but NO LAG.
QUOTE (Smaay @ Sep 18, 2012 - 6:07 PM)
>for the amount of money you are going to spend on a 3S-GTE swap, you will spend half on a V6 swap
Not to mention the V6 makes the same power as the 2nd gen 3S-GTE, but NO LAG.
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Yes and no.
GT-4 celicas have a 3rd gen 3S-GTE while most MR2s have a 2nd gen 3S-GTE.
If you can find a post-93 MR2, it will probably have the 3rd gen 3S-GTE.
QUOTE (Amanda66 @ Sep 18, 2012 - 7:08 PM)
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I knew I needed another transmission. I just wana know if the motor out of the MR2 is the same as the one out of an ST205.
QUOTE (Syaoran @ Sep 18, 2012 - 5:23 PM)
>No.
You'll also need a transmission.
3S-GTE will bolt in to a GT Celica with the 5S-FE engine and the S54 5-speed trans on the GT Celicas is compatible with the 3S-GTE.
You'll also need a transmission.
3S-GTE will bolt in to a GT Celica with the 5S-FE engine and the S54 5-speed trans on the GT Celicas is compatible with the 3S-GTE.
I knew I needed another transmission. I just wana know if the motor out of the MR2 is the same as the one out of an ST205.
Yes and no.
GT-4 celicas have a 3rd gen 3S-GTE while most MR2s have a 2nd gen 3S-GTE.
If you can find a post-93 MR2, it will probably have the 3rd gen 3S-GTE.
1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold1994 Celica GT Liftback
All USDM MR2's had the 2nd gen 3S-GTE.
2001 Miata LS 5-speed
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USDM only had them until 92 I believe.
QUOTE (Box @ Sep 19, 2012 - 12:10 AM)
>All USDM MR2's had the 2nd gen 3S-GTE.
USDM only had them until 92 I believe.
1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold1994 Celica GT Liftback
They had them until 95 when the car was discontinued for the U.S. market.
This post has been edited by Box: Sep 19, 2012 - 12:57 AM
This post has been edited by Box: Sep 19, 2012 - 12:57 AM
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ok so to make sure i am understanding this properly......the mr2 motor will not bolt into my car UNLESS it's after '93????
It won't be direct unless you have a Celica that already has a S series engine. E.G. The GT with a 5S-FE.
2001 Miata LS 5-speed
Ugh ... confusion confusion lol. The 2nd gen 3SGTE will bolt in as long as you have a matching transmission (As you already know). The problem is with the 2nd gen, there is a bit of extra work to do with the wiring and sensors. The 3rd gen is much easier to work with as it was the generation that came out of our cars anyways. Now ALSO the engine out of the MR2 is set up a bit differently as well with some components moved around a bit and the wiring is different. Your best bet, unless someone is basically handing you a 3sgte out of an Mr2, is to get a 3rd gen IF you are dead set on a 3sgte.
This post has been edited by Xander_X: Sep 19, 2012 - 3:27 PM
This post has been edited by Xander_X: Sep 19, 2012 - 3:27 PM
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^^^ perfect answer
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ok so next questions are:
what years are 3rd gen?
and can i do this in my st?
thank you
QUOTE (Xander_X @ Sep 19, 2012 - 4:23 PM)
>Ugh ... confusion confusion lol. The 2nd gen 3SGTE will bolt in as long as you have a matching transmission (As you already know). The problem is with the 2nd gen, there is a bit of extra work to do with the wiring and sensors. The 3rd gen is much easier to work with as it was the generation that came out of our cars anyways. Now ALSO the engine out of the MR2 is set up a bit differently as well with some components moved around a bit and the wiring is different. Your best bet, unless someone is basically handing you a 3sgte out of an Mr2, is to get a 3rd gen IF you are dead set on a 3sgte.
ok so next questions are:
what years are 3rd gen?
and can i do this in my st?
thank you
1994 - 1999 ST205
1995 - 1999 SW20
And I think we already covered whether it would FIT in your ST or not. The ST is the same chassis as the GT so yes it will FIT. But you'll have to do some extra work than you would have to do in a GT. There are stickies up for the 3SGTE swap, plenty of threads you can check out and follow of other who have done it and people willing to help you with the details as you begin and finish it. Do some research, google the **** out of the engine and swap, learn EVERYTHING you can before you get too involved.
1995 - 1999 SW20
And I think we already covered whether it would FIT in your ST or not. The ST is the same chassis as the GT so yes it will FIT. But you'll have to do some extra work than you would have to do in a GT. There are stickies up for the 3SGTE swap, plenty of threads you can check out and follow of other who have done it and people willing to help you with the details as you begin and finish it. Do some research, google the **** out of the engine and swap, learn EVERYTHING you can before you get too involved.
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I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you have never actually driven a 3sgte powered Celica.
QUOTE (Box @ Sep 18, 2012 - 8:46 PM)
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Not to mention the V6 makes the same power as the 2nd gen 3S-GTE, but NO LAG.
QUOTE (Smaay @ Sep 18, 2012 - 6:07 PM)
>for the amount of money you are going to spend on a 3S-GTE swap, you will spend half on a V6 swap
Not to mention the V6 makes the same power as the 2nd gen 3S-GTE, but NO LAG.
I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you have never actually driven a 3sgte powered Celica.
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I've ridden in my friend Kevin's Celica and he did the 3SGTE swap on his and I love it I hate when we do our cruises I always get stuck next to him and all I can hear is his turbo blowing off...I can hear it over my system and I just laugh and shake my fist at him and tell him just wait lol 
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You are super awesome thank you so much.
QUOTE (lagos @ Sep 20, 2012 - 11:17 AM)
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I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you have never actually driven a 3sgte powered Celica.
QUOTE (Box @ Sep 18, 2012 - 8:46 PM)
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Not to mention the V6 makes the same power as the 2nd gen 3S-GTE, but NO LAG.
QUOTE (Smaay @ Sep 18, 2012 - 6:07 PM)
>for the amount of money you are going to spend on a 3S-GTE swap, you will spend half on a V6 swap
Not to mention the V6 makes the same power as the 2nd gen 3S-GTE, but NO LAG.
I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you have never actually driven a 3sgte powered Celica.
I've ridden in my friend Kevin's Celica and he did the 3SGTE swap on his and I love it
I hate when we do our cruises I always get stuck next to him and all I can hear is his turbo blowing off...I can hear it over my system and I just laugh and shake my fist at him and tell him just wait lol >
QUOTE (Xander_X @ Sep 20, 2012 - 11:11 AM)
>1994 - 1999 ST205
1995 - 1999 SW20
And I think we already covered whether it would FIT in your ST or not. The ST is the same chassis as the GT so yes it will FIT. But you'll have to do some extra work than you would have to do in a GT. There are stickies up for the 3SGTE swap, plenty of threads you can check out and follow of other who have done it and people willing to help you with the details as you begin and finish it. Do some research, google the **** out of the engine and swap, learn EVERYTHING you can before you get too involved.
1995 - 1999 SW20
And I think we already covered whether it would FIT in your ST or not. The ST is the same chassis as the GT so yes it will FIT. But you'll have to do some extra work than you would have to do in a GT. There are stickies up for the 3SGTE swap, plenty of threads you can check out and follow of other who have done it and people willing to help you with the details as you begin and finish it. Do some research, google the **** out of the engine and swap, learn EVERYTHING you can before you get too involved.
You are super awesome thank you so much.
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No, but I've driven faster cars if that counts.
QUOTE (lagos @ Sep 20, 2012 - 10:17 AM)
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I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you have never actually driven a 3sgte powered Celica.
QUOTE (Box @ Sep 18, 2012 - 8:46 PM)
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Not to mention the V6 makes the same power as the 2nd gen 3S-GTE, but NO LAG.
QUOTE (Smaay @ Sep 18, 2012 - 6:07 PM)
>for the amount of money you are going to spend on a 3S-GTE swap, you will spend half on a V6 swap
Not to mention the V6 makes the same power as the 2nd gen 3S-GTE, but NO LAG.
I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you have never actually driven a 3sgte powered Celica.
No, but I've driven faster cars if that counts.
2001 Miata LS 5-speed
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Lol counts for something.
QUOTE (Box @ Sep 20, 2012 - 1:21 PM)
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No, but I've driven faster cars if that counts.
QUOTE (lagos @ Sep 20, 2012 - 10:17 AM)
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I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you have never actually driven a 3sgte powered Celica.
QUOTE (Box @ Sep 18, 2012 - 8:46 PM)
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Not to mention the V6 makes the same power as the 2nd gen 3S-GTE, but NO LAG.
QUOTE (Smaay @ Sep 18, 2012 - 6:07 PM)
>for the amount of money you are going to spend on a 3S-GTE swap, you will spend half on a V6 swap
Not to mention the V6 makes the same power as the 2nd gen 3S-GTE, but NO LAG.
I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you have never actually driven a 3sgte powered Celica.
No, but I've driven faster cars if that counts.
Lol counts for something.
All turbo cars have some degree of lag. Hell the WRC ST205 had an anti-lag system, so a standard 3S-GTE will have lag.
2001 Miata LS 5-speed
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Well said Art.
I don't agree that you'll spend half on a v6 swap, that's just crap.
My 3s swap had virtually no lag and would kill any v6 put into any Celica.
QUOTE (lagos @ Sep 20, 2012 - 11:17 AM)
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I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you have never actually driven a 3sgte powered Celica.
QUOTE (Box @ Sep 18, 2012 - 8:46 PM)
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Not to mention the V6 makes the same power as the 2nd gen 3S-GTE, but NO LAG.
QUOTE (Smaay @ Sep 18, 2012 - 6:07 PM)
>for the amount of money you are going to spend on a 3S-GTE swap, you will spend half on a V6 swap
Not to mention the V6 makes the same power as the 2nd gen 3S-GTE, but NO LAG.
I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you have never actually driven a 3sgte powered Celica.
Well said Art.
I don't agree that you'll spend half on a v6 swap, that's just crap.
My 3s swap had virtually no lag and would kill any v6 put into any Celica.
my st205 swapandour Beams swap
Well, considering the 1MZ-FE is half what a 3S-GTE costs... 
This post has been edited by Box: Sep 20, 2012 - 4:00 PM
This post has been edited by Box: Sep 20, 2012 - 4:00 PM
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My butt dyno and childish grin second this statement.
QUOTE (Batman722 @ Sep 20, 2012 - 3:43 PM)
>Well said Art.
I don't agree that you'll spend half on a v6 swap, that's just crap.
My 3s swap had virtually no lag and would kill any v6 put into any Celica.
I don't agree that you'll spend half on a v6 swap, that's just crap.
My 3s swap had virtually no lag and would kill any v6 put into any Celica.
My butt dyno and childish grin second this statement.
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Yeah I understand that...My room mate has a 1967 Camaro with an LS1 in it with one of those hugh turbos on it...thing takes forever to spool up. Sounds like a jet airplane while it is lmfao
QUOTE (Box @ Sep 20, 2012 - 3:19 PM)
>All turbo cars have some degree of lag. Hell the WRC ST205 had an anti-lag system, so a standard 3S-GTE will have lag.
Yeah I understand that...My room mate has a 1967 Camaro with an LS1 in it with one of those hugh turbos on it...thing takes forever to spool up. Sounds like a jet airplane while it is lmfao
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you guys are my heros lmao I can't wait till I get this started I'm so excited. I have the money I'm just trying to do some research first. I was told by my friend Kevin that i needed to do the disc brake conversion. Which I am going to go looking for this Saturday and swap out my transmission to one out of a gt as well. so brakes then tranny then motor....hopefully YAY
QUOTE (richee3 @ Sep 20, 2012 - 4:06 PM)
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My butt dyno and childish grin second this statement.
QUOTE (Batman722 @ Sep 20, 2012 - 3:43 PM)
>Well said Art.
I don't agree that you'll spend half on a v6 swap, that's just crap.
My 3s swap had virtually no lag and would kill any v6 put into any Celica.
I don't agree that you'll spend half on a v6 swap, that's just crap.
My 3s swap had virtually no lag and would kill any v6 put into any Celica.
My butt dyno and childish grin second this statement.
you guys are my heros lmao
I can't wait till I get this started I'm so excited. I have the money I'm just trying to do some research first. I was told by my friend Kevin that i needed to do the disc brake conversion. Which I am going to go looking for this Saturday and swap out my transmission to one out of a gt as well. so brakes then tranny then motor....hopefully YAY
Is your friend Soulend, by any chance?
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only my >>ALL-TRAC>>
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if you have a ST then there would be NO POINT in installing a GT transmission. IT WONT FIT!
this is what we have been talking about. 3 of the 4 engine mounts are on the transmission and the GT and ST have different transmissions so the mounts are in different places. if you are going to get a GT trans, thats fine, just dont install it until you are ready to install a 3S-GTE or a V6, and the GT trans will NOT bolt to the 7A-FE engine
This post has been edited by Smaay: Sep 20, 2012 - 5:14 PM
QUOTE (lagos @ Sep 20, 2012 - 8:17 AM)
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I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you have never actually driven a 3sgte powered Celica.
QUOTE (Box @ Sep 18, 2012 - 8:46 PM)
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Not to mention the V6 makes the same power as the 2nd gen 3S-GTE, but NO LAG.
QUOTE (Smaay @ Sep 18, 2012 - 6:07 PM)
>for the amount of money you are going to spend on a 3S-GTE swap, you will spend half on a V6 swap
Not to mention the V6 makes the same power as the 2nd gen 3S-GTE, but NO LAG.
I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you have never actually driven a 3sgte powered Celica.
only my >>ALL-TRAC>>
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QUOTE (Amanda66 @ Sep 20, 2012 - 2:16 PM)
>Which I am going to go looking for this Saturday and swap out my transmission to one out of a gt as well.
if you have a ST then there would be NO POINT in installing a GT transmission. IT WONT FIT!
this is what we have been talking about. 3 of the 4 engine mounts are on the transmission and the GT and ST have different transmissions so the mounts are in different places. if you are going to get a GT trans, thats fine, just dont install it until you are ready to install a 3S-GTE or a V6, and the GT trans will NOT bolt to the 7A-FE engine
This post has been edited by Smaay: Sep 20, 2012 - 5:14 PM
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lol yes
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right right I understand that. I was gona get it and put it aside until I got my motor and everything is ready to be put in.
QUOTE (richee3 @ Sep 20, 2012 - 4:22 PM)
>Is your friend Soulend, by any chance?
lol yes
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QUOTE (Smaay @ Sep 20, 2012 - 5:14 PM)
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only my >>ALL-TRAC>>
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if you have a ST then there would be NO POINT in installing a GT transmission. IT WONT FIT!
this is what we have been talking about. 3 of the 4 engine mounts are on the transmission and the GT and ST have different transmissions so the mounts are in different places. if you are going to get a GT trans, thats fine, just dont install it until you are ready to install a 3S-GTE or a V6, and the GT trans will NOT bolt to the 7A-FE engine
QUOTE (lagos @ Sep 20, 2012 - 8:17 AM)
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I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you have never actually driven a 3sgte powered Celica.
QUOTE (Box @ Sep 18, 2012 - 8:46 PM)
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Not to mention the V6 makes the same power as the 2nd gen 3S-GTE, but NO LAG.
QUOTE (Smaay @ Sep 18, 2012 - 6:07 PM)
>for the amount of money you are going to spend on a 3S-GTE swap, you will spend half on a V6 swap
Not to mention the V6 makes the same power as the 2nd gen 3S-GTE, but NO LAG.
I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you have never actually driven a 3sgte powered Celica.
only my >>ALL-TRAC>>
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QUOTE (Amanda66 @ Sep 20, 2012 - 2:16 PM)
>Which I am going to go looking for this Saturday and swap out my transmission to one out of a gt as well.
if you have a ST then there would be NO POINT in installing a GT transmission. IT WONT FIT!
this is what we have been talking about. 3 of the 4 engine mounts are on the transmission and the GT and ST have different transmissions so the mounts are in different places. if you are going to get a GT trans, thats fine, just dont install it until you are ready to install a 3S-GTE or a V6, and the GT trans will NOT bolt to the 7A-FE engine
right right I understand that. I was gona get it and put it aside until I got my motor and everything is ready to be put in.
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how the f*** are we even having this debate? 3sgte > 1mz any day
QUOTE (Batman722 @ Sep 21, 2012 - 8:43 AM)
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Well said Art.
I don't agree that you'll spend half on a v6 swap, that's just crap.
My 3s swap had virtually no lag and would kill any v6 put into any Celica.
QUOTE (lagos @ Sep 20, 2012 - 11:17 AM)
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I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you have never actually driven a 3sgte powered Celica.
QUOTE (Box @ Sep 18, 2012 - 8:46 PM)
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Not to mention the V6 makes the same power as the 2nd gen 3S-GTE, but NO LAG.
QUOTE (Smaay @ Sep 18, 2012 - 6:07 PM)
>for the amount of money you are going to spend on a 3S-GTE swap, you will spend half on a V6 swap
Not to mention the V6 makes the same power as the 2nd gen 3S-GTE, but NO LAG.
I'm going to take a wild guess and say that you have never actually driven a 3sgte powered Celica.
Well said Art.
I don't agree that you'll spend half on a v6 swap, that's just crap.
My 3s swap had virtually no lag and would kill any v6 put into any Celica.
how the f*** are we even having this debate? 3sgte > 1mz any day
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Ok I was told to ask a few more questions:
Do I need to change axels? If so to what I.E. MR2, GT, or ST205?
Can I use the shift linkage from the GT or do I have to use it from the MR2?
Do I have to change my ECU? If so to what?
And something about wiring harnesses for both the engine bay and for the engine?.....
Thank You
Do I need to change axels? If so to what I.E. MR2, GT, or ST205?
Can I use the shift linkage from the GT or do I have to use it from the MR2?
Do I have to change my ECU? If so to what?
And something about wiring harnesses for both the engine bay and for the engine?.....
Thank You