-95WRC+Jan 5, 2004 - 10:26 AM

it needs a kia logo... what a pos... toyota lost its style and sense of driving for pleasure.

ok... well the more i look at it the more it grows on me... but i still feel toyota is loosing its style and emphasis on the driver.

-boosted_K2+Jan 5, 2004 - 10:41 PM

when you think of it, this car is really nice for under 20 grand. For me the car looks good outside, even though its a collage of new volvo s40 front with hyundai tiburon rear- for me the real make or break will be what the interior looks like... That said, with the corolla XRS on its way for toyota, i doubt anything that resembles the celica will make its way back to the states for the next few years... I think that when i want a new car ill be waiting for alfa romeo's return to the US in 2006 and hoping the 147, or its replacement, makes it here...

why is everyone pissed that toyota is coming out with some 300hp rwd monster.. last time they did that they didn't sell casue the people that wanted them just couldn't affored them...

so they come out with this new line of cars that are cheap in price but still have toyota qaulity..

did you mean "ISNT" mac?

-boosted_K2+Jan 6, 2004 - 2:36 AM

NP just makin sure i understood what you were saying. and yea i definatly see your point. japanese "supercars" dont sell well untill they are on the used car market for a while. seems the MRS is super enough... oh well.

it looks good. But i dont know why toyota has 3 differnt companies that produces no real powered cars. i get why they have lexus as their luxury cars. and i thought that scion was gonna be the economical cars. But it seems that the tC is lookin into retiring the celica. I pray that i am wrong on that statement. But if it means to resurect the all mighty supra.....

as akimbo had stated in the NAIAS thread, he spoke to a toyota engineering rep at the show and the guy said they had no plans to dismiss the celica, nor bring back the supra... so i guess thats the best we have to go on right now... ill see what i can dig up when i go there tomorrow.

supra or no supra, toyota better start producing a high end car for me within the next 5 years. Planning on getting and tunning it after the 6thgen is done. and after more looks into the tC, its not looking any better. they could have done better with teh interior and the rear. They did good by putting the console back in front of the driver and out of the center where the cd player with the lcd screen is suppose to be. but the the whole thing looks a bit cheap.
something in a kia or a geo if you ask me.

Well, i think its quite good. Yes it comes a bit short regarding the bhps but for the price of it, i think its a much better car than the 7gc. I wonder what will the 8gc will be.

I just cant stand you guys in the states. Why do you complain so much? 20K for the wages in the states is nothing. In my country we dont have the option for all the models in the world as you do and we have to pay double the price due custome duties. And we pay for gas 4 times as much as you. (more than $4 a gallon)

The strategy for the three different Toyota brands is quite scientific. There is a very good businees reason for that. In my country we get JDM used cars but people pay quite a bit more for their car to be a Lexus RX300 than a Toyota Harrier which are basically the same cars.

Scion is quite an interesting concept. we will have to wait and see more models to be able to form an opinion but so far i am quite pleased with the idea.

if only they include a high powered car to compete with the RX8! ! ! for under 20k. That would be perfect.

I think this new Scion is just a 3-door variant of well-known Toyota Premio/Avensis/Carina/Corona family. Nobody calls them sporty cars, because they are somewhere between Corolla and Camry. I read that Corona was the first Toyota at the American market and Americans completely ignored it.



By the way, there are powerful RWD and AWD Crowns and MarkII.

-neoklis+Jan 13, 2004 - 7:14 AM

SC430? Surely you're mistaken. Sure, it has a nice 300hp. But, the $63,225 pricetag for the base model is a little bit.. much?

-Brian

-Hym3n+Jan 13, 2004 - 9:23 AM

Japanese point of view of interchangeability of parts will be the key.
If you have an alternative to change the engine and put a much more powerfull one will solve alot of problems.
i.e. GT4 engines that can be put eaisly on quite many toyota cars.

That is only probable though if you also have good quality (ie toyota quality) If the base car is not built with quality in mind, then your efforts will be pointless and dangerous as many honda and mitsubishi owners that were involve in accidents know.

looks better in person, and the interior looks very nice in person.