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QUOTE (trdproven @ Jul 1, 2012 - 6:42 PM) *
>i thought you just mentioned: I'd rather spend more in the car in mods than fixes. (e.g. turbo setup, than suspension work)


I consider suspension an area of fixes, not mods. The point I'm trying to get across is I'd rather save money on FIXING the suspension, than saying "hey I'll spend 100-200 dollars more on coilovers even though I don't need them!" My suspension is broken, I want to fix it, that is all.

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QUOTE (trdproven @ Jul 1, 2012 - 6:42 PM) *
>if you want to get your suspension over and done with with no price in mind, just get KYB shocks, get TRD, TEIN, Or INTRAX Springs, bump stops, and possibly top mounts/bearings, and just do it. thats all.


Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about.

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QUOTE (trdproven @ Jul 1, 2012 - 6:42 PM) *
>I really don't think you get the idea about how coilovers are today, there are no cons to getting coilovers. They are fully rebuildable, custom, and can utilize some parts from other brands. the spring/shock combo is hell, like many people here, get install problems, parts wearing, disassemble reassemble, no adjustability, etc. I went through two lowering spring set ups already, TRD and Intrax, which are not bad, but ultimately I wished I should've gotten coilovers the first time. I was thinking i don't need coilovers, I think the lowering springs is okay, i'd rather spend my money on other mods, but I was wrong, I ended up getting coilovers, i wish I could've save me the install times, the parts bought, the time wasted, the money wasted.

but again like i said, if you want lowering springs just get the setup i mentioned, might cost 500-600 dollar range total for all those parts (which is close to coilovers) but at least its a simple decision.


Not all of them are rebuildable, which I already said. The ones that are, are more expensive rebuilding than simply buying new ones. On top of that to rebuild, you have to send them to the manufacturer 99% of the time. To do that, you have to take them out of your car and send them over. What do you do while that's happening? Put struts and springs back on.

I consider coilovers are necessary only when you're looking to do stupid things (like lowering your car 1/4" off the ground) or when you need a performance suspension that can be fine-tuned for track use. Coilovers in the 800-1000 price range aren't good enough for REAL track use (not your average joe autocrossing)... they're only rebound adjustable, and height adjustable.


But this kind of got off-topic so I'm gonna leave it at that. To me, I really only need springs. I'm not interested in leaving my front bumper on every bump in the roads here.

1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold1994 Celica GT Liftback
coilovers are for whatever you want to do with them, camber adjustment, damper adjustment, etc. not just height, there is more flexibility. 1.5 spring drop does not change anything really, you'll notice the drop the first time, after time passes it begins to look stock again. so just do the drop spring set up. still has a lot of finger gap but i guess you'll notice the drive difference, others won't notice the drop difference.

This post has been edited by trdproven: Jul 1, 2012 - 10:33 PM

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Can get a set of Tein springs for $150 or less on eBay. Can get all four KYB struts for $237 off Rock Auto, maybe even cheaper off eBay. So, almost a third of what a set of coil-overs would cost. The setup I currently have and its great. I'd like to get coil-overs eventually, but for the time being what I have now is more than acceptable.

2001 Miata LS 5-speed
^ Yea you can assuming shipping costs are all inclusive, and if you dont have to get new mounts, mount bearings, bump stops, etc...
but again, it looks like you its eventual you would get coilovers, plus the labor and tools to do it if you can't do it yourself. coilovers anyone can install even someone who hasn't touched this kind of car. Again like we all know its a simple really shock/spring replacement assuming nothing else is worn out.
I bought both my Megans and BC for 800 bucks shipped, full remove and replace deal, no reassembling parts. Teins were my worse money spent, only kept it on for a month - not sure about the super expensive ones. so you can add labor if you arent doing it either. i can change into coilovers in roughly an hour or so, three top nuts, and two lower bolts. its really the guys choice, im just throwing things out there. I cannot force or convince someone to get coilovers its your car. It seems like he knows a bit about suspension but asking about cheap springs is ironic.

yes 800-1000 dollar coilovers are not the best coilovers but they are true bang for buck, but honestly, with the revalving and customizable spring rates, you'd be surprised how it holds up to my friends that have 2000 dollar suspension, sometimes you don't notice the difference or sometimes they are worse. For daily driving its more than enough for occasional sporting, its fine - but thats not your interest you just want to fix it, so just replace the shocks and springs, done deal. but people need to understand there is no cons to coilovers these days, besides spending a couple hundred bucks more, but you get so much more flexibility.

This post has been edited by trdproven: Jul 2, 2012 - 1:37 PM

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That was shipping included on that. My car came the way it is, if it was still stock I'd most likely save up and get the Tanabe coil-over set.

2001 Miata LS 5-speed
yea coilovers are the way to go unless you go springs and just want a bit of a drop and still have OEM-ish, but coilovers can do a slight drop as well. never experienced tanabe coilovers

This post has been edited by trdproven: Jul 2, 2012 - 7:20 PM

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Seem like the best out there for the car, to me anyway. Drop more and are a little stiffer than the Tein coil-overs, and are made in Japan. Since I don't do "Made in China" when at all possible. I know people on here have Chinese made coil-overs, and love them. Just my personal preference.

2001 Miata LS 5-speed
don't get tanabe's. they don't have damper adjustment or camber plates. only ride height adjustment.

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QUOTE (azian_advanced @ Jul 2, 2012 - 5:57 PM) *
>don't get tanabe's. they don't have damper adjustment or camber plates. only ride height adjustment.


Was going to say, but wasn't 100%.

Aren't most Teins built in Taiwan also? Not just Japan. Just sayin..

2006 BMW 330i - 6 Speed - Dinan Stage 12014 Toyota Rav4 XLE
Everything Tein is made in Japan, same with Tanabe. I'd just set it to the stiffest setting and leave it anyway. That and I never plan on adjusting height once on the car. Adjust camber, toe, etc... once they're on and leave it be.

2001 Miata LS 5-speed
http://cms.skunk2.com/id/275/JDM-Made-in-Taiwan/

Hate to burst your bubble, guess its just an article, but still. I have read it other places as well.

The stiffest setting sucks.. There are actually ways to tune your dampening for the application you plan on using (daily, racing, oversteer, understeer, etc.) and stiffest front and rear or any same adjustment front and rear is going to SUCK. And like stated, there is no dampening Tanabes.

2006 BMW 330i - 6 Speed - Dinan Stage 12014 Toyota Rav4 XLE
Once I see it from a reputable source(as apposed to a rival manufacturer's site), I'll believe it. I don't have anything against things made in China per se, just when it's a company based over here and outsources everything elsewhere. For example I used some Chinese microscopes made by a Chinese company in school, and they were great. The Tanabe set has helper springs to adjust ride comfort. From the write up it seems like they'd be fine, of course they're trying to sell you on it too, I understand that.

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>Spring Rates F/R: 8.0 / 6.0

Tanabe SUSTEC PRO SERIES adjustable coilover suspensions offer the finest range of performance and comfort for the motoring enthusiast. Unique on Sustec Pro suspensions, the internal valving of each suspension is tuned for a wide variety of driving needs. Extremely high performance and comfort can co-exist with Sustec Pro, and unnecessary adjustments are eliminated for quick, simple use, where each tuned setting can noticeably change the car's personality.

SUSTEC PRO S-0C is for those who desire both high performance and maximum comfort from a suspension system. S-0C is ideal for performance and street applications.

Dispelling a popular belief that a firm or harsh ride is a sign of a performance suspension, the short stroke, shortened case dampener of the S-0C is extremely unique in that its internal construction allows it to deliver superior handling without sacrificing strength or ride comfort.

Unique double-cylinder design allows for full suspension stroke within the shortened shock body while Low-pressure gasses ensure smooth rebound characteristics for additional ride comfort.

-COMPETITION SPEC PRO210 RACE SPRING
The PRO210 Race Spring features highly tuned spring rates. PRO210 was developed for extreme durability and balance. This spring has the highest tensile strength available due to our patented manufacturing process. For professional suspension tuners, custom rates and sizes are available.

-SHORT STROKE, SHORTENED CASE DAMPENER
Short stroke and shortened case of the S-0C dampener for the vehicle to be lowered aggressively, without compromising suspension stroke or comfort.

-SPORT-TUNED INTERNAL VALVING
Valving is specially tuned for excellent handling characteristics during sport driving, while allowing for very hgih levels of comfort during normal driving. The fixed-rate dampener uses a perfect internal setting, so external adjustment is not necessary on this model.

-LOW PRESSURE GAS, UNIQUE DUAL CHAMBER DESIGN
Not all dual chamber dampeners are created alike. The S-0C features a unique, highly advanced dual chamber design that ensures maximum durability and endurance. Low pressure gasses allow extremely smooth rebound characteristics. S-0C is highly unique in that performance, durability and comfort can co-exist.

-HELPER SPRINGS
Helper springs with rebound stability, ride comfort and keep the main coil spring seated. Preload of the main spring can also be set to zero, for maximum comfort and suspension travel.

-DURABILITY SPRING SEAT & LOCK NUT
Constructed of forged aluminum, longetivity and superior strength is ensured. Additionally, the threaded portion of the casting is chemically treated to resist rust and corrosion.

SUSTEC PRO S-0C uses the same high quality PRO210 Springs found on the SUSTEC PRO FIVE Coilover System.

These are the same springs that were used in the Takata Dome Racing Honda NSX in the JGTC GT500 Class in Japan.

SUSTEC PRO S-0C includes helper springs, which aid in rebound stability through corners and over road imperfections. They also serve the additional function of keeping the main spring under proper preload.


This post has been edited by Box: Jul 2, 2012 - 11:14 PM

2001 Miata LS 5-speed
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>What I mean is, what are the benefits and/or downsides of so many dead coils.


The reason for all the dead coils is to make sure that the spring stays seated in the strut at all times. It's just one type of design.

This post has been edited by krom8: Jul 7, 2012 - 4:29 AM

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QUOTE (krom8 @ Jul 7, 2012 - 5:25 AM) *
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>What I mean is, what are the benefits and/or downsides of so many dead coils.


The reason for all the dead coils is to make sure that the spring stays seated in the strut at all times. It's just one type of design.


Thank you for the answer.

1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold1994 Celica GT Liftback