any ideas on modifying gr-2's to have more travel?
This post has been edited by TannerEsser: May 15, 2012 - 10:10 AM
This post has been edited by TannerEsser: May 15, 2012 - 10:10 AM
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Are you using them with lowering sprnings and having the bottoming out issue?
If so, did you cut your bump stops in during the installation process? If not this will cause your car to bottom out frequently as the bump stops are larger for use with the stock springs.
If so, did you cut your bump stops in during the installation process? If not this will cause your car to bottom out frequently as the bump stops are larger for use with the stock springs.
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there trimmed tein S-tech's i just have no travel left in the front. is there any struts that have more travel?
QUOTE (jordisonjr @ May 10, 2012 - 1:16 PM) 
>Are you using them with lowering sprnings and having the bottoming out issue?
If so, did you cut your bump stops in during the installation process? If not this will cause your car to bottom out frequently as the bump stops are larger for use with the stock springs.
If so, did you cut your bump stops in during the installation process? If not this will cause your car to bottom out frequently as the bump stops are larger for use with the stock springs.
there trimmed tein S-tech's i just have no travel left in the front. is there any struts that have more travel?
Get coilovers. 
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dont waste your time, just get springs and struts and leave it as is or get full coilovers and be done with it.
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Jesus christ if there is one thing I hate it is people that buy performance springs AND CUT THEM... why don't you just cut your stock springs?
Nothing personal, but if you want to go lower get coilovers or take out your springs entirely
This post has been edited by Syaoran: May 15, 2012 - 4:04 PM
Nothing personal, but if you want to go lower get coilovers or take out your springs entirely
This post has been edited by Syaoran: May 15, 2012 - 4:04 PM
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The lack of travel is because you cut your springs. The struts have nothing to do with it.
QUOTE (TannerEsser @ May 15, 2012 - 11:03 AM)
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there trimmed tein S-tech's i just have no travel left in the front. is there any struts that have more travel?
QUOTE (jordisonjr @ May 10, 2012 - 1:16 PM)
>Are you using them with lowering sprnings and having the bottoming out issue?
If so, did you cut your bump stops in during the installation process? If not this will cause your car to bottom out frequently as the bump stops are larger for use with the stock springs.
If so, did you cut your bump stops in during the installation process? If not this will cause your car to bottom out frequently as the bump stops are larger for use with the stock springs.
there trimmed tein S-tech's i just have no travel left in the front. is there any struts that have more travel?
The lack of travel is because you cut your springs. The struts have nothing to do with it.
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well sir here is the thing about stock springs. there soft as hell meant for stock ride hight its great for stock but when you cut stock springs you would have to cut likle 2 coils off so it will look lowered.. proformance springs. like teins are stiffer so they are better for a lower ride hight. i didnt take a cut off wheel to my springs and go crazy, i trimmed them. something that drag racers have been doing for years. not everyone has money for $1000 coilovers. cool thing is ive seen no side effects from trimming my springs. havent blown my struts, nothing. the only thing i have is bump steer, but im pretty sure nobody does anything about that because nobody wants to raise there steering colomn. but thankyou for your input.
QUOTE (Syaoran @ May 15, 2012 - 4:00 PM)
>Jesus christ if there is one thing I hate it is people that buy performance springs AND CUT THEM... why don't you just cut your stock springs?
Nothing personal, but if you want to go lower get coilovers or take out your springs entirely
Nothing personal, but if you want to go lower get coilovers or take out your springs entirely
well sir here is the thing about stock springs. there soft as hell meant for stock ride hight its great for stock but when you cut stock springs you would have to cut likle 2 coils off so it will look lowered.. proformance springs. like teins are stiffer so they are better for a lower ride hight. i didnt take a cut off wheel to my springs and go crazy, i trimmed them. something that drag racers have been doing for years. not everyone has money for $1000 coilovers. cool thing is ive seen no side effects from trimming my springs. havent blown my struts, nothing. the only thing i have is bump steer, but im pretty sure nobody does anything about that because nobody wants to raise there steering colomn. but thankyou for your input.
If you knew anything about the sprigns in your car, the spring rates are actually really close to stock, as a matter of fact, the rear tien s techs are actually a softer spring rate than the rear.
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lets see here.. if there is lack of travel because my struts are bottomed out. there is no travel left in them. i know that for a fact.
QUOTE (lagos @ May 15, 2012 - 5:42 PM)
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The lack of travel is because you cut your springs. The struts have nothing to do with it.
QUOTE (TannerEsser @ May 15, 2012 - 11:03 AM)
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there trimmed tein S-tech's i just have no travel left in the front. is there any struts that have more travel?
QUOTE (jordisonjr @ May 10, 2012 - 1:16 PM)
>Are you using them with lowering sprnings and having the bottoming out issue?
If so, did you cut your bump stops in during the installation process? If not this will cause your car to bottom out frequently as the bump stops are larger for use with the stock springs.
If so, did you cut your bump stops in during the installation process? If not this will cause your car to bottom out frequently as the bump stops are larger for use with the stock springs.
there trimmed tein S-tech's i just have no travel left in the front. is there any struts that have more travel?
The lack of travel is because you cut your springs. The struts have nothing to do with it.
lets see here.. if there is lack of travel because my struts are bottomed out. there is no travel left in them. i know that for a fact.
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thats interesting, but the problem is in the front where they are more stiff. i didnt ask if it was a good thing to do to my car. i asked if there is anything i can do about it until i can afford coilovers. Thank you for all of your help. its been, interesting and amusing.
QUOTE (jordisonjr @ May 16, 2012 - 11:05 AM)
>If you knew anything about the sprigns in your car, the spring rates are actually really close to stock, as a matter of fact, the rear tien s techs are actually a softer spring rate than the rear.
thats interesting, but the problem is in the front where they are more stiff. i didnt ask if it was a good thing to do to my car. i asked if there is anything i can do about it until i can afford coilovers. Thank you for all of your help. its been, interesting and amusing.
Yes that is a problem
But i dont have that problem with my uncuts s techs
Why dont you buy the stuff an drop the car the right way
Youve done burned yourself once you said the springs were cut
So i wouldnt exspect more more of an answer then get the right parts
But i dont have that problem with my uncuts s techs
Why dont you buy the stuff an drop the car the right way
Youve done burned yourself once you said the springs were cut
So i wouldnt exspect more more of an answer then get the right parts
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if i got a "no get coilovers"(Thankyou to the people who said that). that would help alot more than questioning the decisions ive made on MY car. its like saying someones kid is a piece of **** and they will never go any where in life. i wanted the answer to my question, not my car, and my knowledge on it attacked. i only want it lower until i save up for coilovers, thats all.
This post has been edited by TannerEsser: May 16, 2012 - 11:08 AM
QUOTE (kurt95gt @ May 16, 2012 - 11:45 AM)
>Yes that is a problem
But i dont have that problem with my uncuts s techs
Why dont you buy the stuff an drop the car the right way
Youve done burned yourself once you said the springs were cut
So i wouldnt exspect more more of an answer then get the right parts
But i dont have that problem with my uncuts s techs
Why dont you buy the stuff an drop the car the right way
Youve done burned yourself once you said the springs were cut
So i wouldnt exspect more more of an answer then get the right parts
if i got a "no get coilovers"(Thankyou to the people who said that). that would help alot more than questioning the decisions ive made on MY car. its like saying someones kid is a piece of **** and they will never go any where in life. i wanted the answer to my question, not my car, and my knowledge on it attacked. i only want it lower until i save up for coilovers, thats all.
This post has been edited by TannerEsser: May 16, 2012 - 11:08 AM
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Get Coilovers.
QUOTE (TannerEsser @ May 16, 2012 - 12:00 PM)
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if i got a "no get coilovers"(Thankyou to the people who said that). that would help alot more than questioning the decisions ive made on MY car. its like saying someones kid is a piece of **** and they will never go any where in life. i wanted the answer to my question, not my car, and my knowledge on it attacked. i only want it lower until i save up for coilovers, thats all.
QUOTE (kurt95gt @ May 16, 2012 - 11:45 AM)
>Yes that is a problem
But i dont have that problem with my uncuts s techs
Why dont you buy the stuff an drop the car the right way
Youve done burned yourself once you said the springs were cut
So i wouldnt exspect more more of an answer then get the right parts
But i dont have that problem with my uncuts s techs
Why dont you buy the stuff an drop the car the right way
Youve done burned yourself once you said the springs were cut
So i wouldnt exspect more more of an answer then get the right parts
if i got a "no get coilovers"(Thankyou to the people who said that). that would help alot more than questioning the decisions ive made on MY car. its like saying someones kid is a piece of **** and they will never go any where in life. i wanted the answer to my question, not my car, and my knowledge on it attacked. i only want it lower until i save up for coilovers, thats all.
Get Coilovers.
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Teins for our cars are just as soft if not softer than stock.
If you want to go lower and can't pay for it, then don't do it... do it right or do it twice (which you are know experiencing)
You can't modify the struts to have more travel nor there exists any.
Want a real tip? Keep you cut springs, and get Koni Yellows and run them full stiff.
P.S. You're still probably going to bottom out even with Koni inserts..
This post has been edited by Syaoran: May 16, 2012 - 5:28 PM
QUOTE (TannerEsser @ May 16, 2012 - 10:44 AM)
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well sir here is the thing about stock springs. there soft as hell meant for stock ride hight its great for stock but when you cut stock springs you would have to cut likle 2 coils off so it will look lowered.. proformance springs. like teins are stiffer so they are better for a lower ride hight. i didnt take a cut off wheel to my springs and go crazy, i trimmed them. something that drag racers have been doing for years. not everyone has money for $1000 coilovers. cool thing is ive seen no side effects from trimming my springs. havent blown my struts, nothing. the only thing i have is bump steer, but im pretty sure nobody does anything about that because nobody wants to raise there steering colomn. but thankyou for your input.
QUOTE (Syaoran @ May 15, 2012 - 4:00 PM)
>Jesus christ if there is one thing I hate it is people that buy performance springs AND CUT THEM... why don't you just cut your stock springs?
Nothing personal, but if you want to go lower get coilovers or take out your springs entirely
Nothing personal, but if you want to go lower get coilovers or take out your springs entirely
well sir here is the thing about stock springs. there soft as hell meant for stock ride hight its great for stock but when you cut stock springs you would have to cut likle 2 coils off so it will look lowered.. proformance springs. like teins are stiffer so they are better for a lower ride hight. i didnt take a cut off wheel to my springs and go crazy, i trimmed them. something that drag racers have been doing for years. not everyone has money for $1000 coilovers. cool thing is ive seen no side effects from trimming my springs. havent blown my struts, nothing. the only thing i have is bump steer, but im pretty sure nobody does anything about that because nobody wants to raise there steering colomn. but thankyou for your input.
Teins for our cars are just as soft if not softer than stock.
If you want to go lower and can't pay for it, then don't do it... do it right or do it twice (which you are know experiencing)
You can't modify the struts to have more travel nor there exists any.
Want a real tip? Keep you cut springs, and get Koni Yellows and run them full stiff.
P.S. You're still probably going to bottom out even with Koni inserts..
This post has been edited by Syaoran: May 16, 2012 - 5:28 PM
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spring rates for USDM tein superstreet coilovers without upper mounts are ag 7kg front and 5kg rear. thats much stiffer than stock springs????
>>>>Different Lowering Spring Rates:>>>>
>>>>Stock: Front 2.9 kg/mm, Rear 2.2kg/mm
Tein: Front 3.9 kg/mm, Rear 2.2 kg/mm
Tanabe Df210: Front 3.1 kg/mm, Rear 2.8 kg/mm
Tanabe Nf210: Front 2.9 kg/mm, Rear 2.3 kg/mm
Tanabe Gh210: Front 3.5 kg/mm, Rear 3.0 kg/mm
TRD: Front 4.1 kg/mm, Rear 2.9 kg/mm>>>>
>>>>Different Lowering Spring Rates:>>>>
>>>>Stock: Front 2.9 kg/mm, Rear 2.2kg/mm
Tein: Front 3.9 kg/mm, Rear 2.2 kg/mm
Tanabe Df210: Front 3.1 kg/mm, Rear 2.8 kg/mm
Tanabe Nf210: Front 2.9 kg/mm, Rear 2.3 kg/mm
Tanabe Gh210: Front 3.5 kg/mm, Rear 3.0 kg/mm
TRD: Front 4.1 kg/mm, Rear 2.9 kg/mm>>>>
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Yeah I think he has s-techs not coilovers. KYBs are only good for 1.5" from what I have read. I haven't looked at them for a while but
precise slotting of the holes might help a little, but not much. The angle and diameter would have to be really close, and having someone do it would
probably cost more than other options that have been mentioned.
If you still have your stock springs Jawsforgod was wanting to trade for some s-techs awhile back, he is too far from me and the shipping would kill, but it might be an option until later, at least you shouldn't bottom with un cut ones.
precise slotting of the holes might help a little, but not much. The angle and diameter would have to be really close, and having someone do it would
probably cost more than other options that have been mentioned.
If you still have your stock springs Jawsforgod was wanting to trade for some s-techs awhile back, he is too far from me and the shipping would kill, but it might be an option until later, at least you shouldn't bottom with un cut ones.
JDM guy made me do it.
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well everything still works when i got the gr2s with the stechs i got bored with the hight and started saving up. i got these as a gift then got tired of the hight. the bottoming out is not some magical problem i can't figure out. i was just saying its kinda getting annoying now so anything i can do in the mean time? lol i don't care about my current set up at all lol
This post has been edited by TannerEsser: May 17, 2012 - 12:12 AM
QUOTE (Syaoran @ May 16, 2012 - 2:54 PM)
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Teins for our cars are just as soft if not softer than stock.
If you want to go lower and can't pay for it, then don't do it... do it right or do it twice (which you are know experiencing)
You can't modify the struts to have more travel nor there exists any.
Want a real tip? Keep you cut springs, and get Koni Yellows and run them full stiff.
P.S. You're still probably going to bottom out even with Koni inserts..
QUOTE (TannerEsser @ May 16, 2012 - 10:44 AM)
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well sir here is the thing about stock springs. there soft as hell meant for stock ride hight its great for stock but when you cut stock springs you would have to cut likle 2 coils off so it will look lowered.. proformance springs. like teins are stiffer so they are better for a lower ride hight. i didnt take a cut off wheel to my springs and go crazy, i trimmed them. something that drag racers have been doing for years. not everyone has money for $1000 coilovers. cool thing is ive seen no side effects from trimming my springs. havent blown my struts, nothing. the only thing i have is bump steer, but im pretty sure nobody does anything about that because nobody wants to raise there steering colomn. but thankyou for your input.
QUOTE (Syaoran @ May 15, 2012 - 4:00 PM)
>Jesus christ if there is one thing I hate it is people that buy performance springs AND CUT THEM... why don't you just cut your stock springs?
Nothing personal, but if you want to go lower get coilovers or take out your springs entirely
Nothing personal, but if you want to go lower get coilovers or take out your springs entirely
well sir here is the thing about stock springs. there soft as hell meant for stock ride hight its great for stock but when you cut stock springs you would have to cut likle 2 coils off so it will look lowered.. proformance springs. like teins are stiffer so they are better for a lower ride hight. i didnt take a cut off wheel to my springs and go crazy, i trimmed them. something that drag racers have been doing for years. not everyone has money for $1000 coilovers. cool thing is ive seen no side effects from trimming my springs. havent blown my struts, nothing. the only thing i have is bump steer, but im pretty sure nobody does anything about that because nobody wants to raise there steering colomn. but thankyou for your input.
Teins for our cars are just as soft if not softer than stock.
If you want to go lower and can't pay for it, then don't do it... do it right or do it twice (which you are know experiencing)
You can't modify the struts to have more travel nor there exists any.
Want a real tip? Keep you cut springs, and get Koni Yellows and run them full stiff.
P.S. You're still probably going to bottom out even with Koni inserts..
well everything still works when i got the gr2s with the stechs i got bored with the hight and started saving up. i got these as a gift then got tired of the hight. the bottoming out is not some magical problem i can't figure out. i was just saying its kinda getting annoying now so anything i can do in the mean time? lol i don't care about my current set up at all lol
This post has been edited by TannerEsser: May 17, 2012 - 12:12 AM
OK i knew what i did wasn't a good thing for my car. its not a mystery why i bottom out or why i need coil overs. i asked a simple question and everyone started assuming i had no idea what i was doing. but when i decided to cut my springs i knew damn well that it was bad for my car. i just didn't care about that set up. I'm not an idiot i know cutting springs is bad. i was wondering if modification was possible because my friend told me there was somebody who did something similar on a miata forum. thanks for all your... input.
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Heating springs with blowtorch > cutting springs
Get as much extra weight on the car as you can to squash the suspension( maybe a couple friends sitting on it?) and at the same time heat the coiled spring on the strut as evenly as possible with a blow torch. The spring will now be forever forged into a shorter height. Of course, the spring rate will never be proper again, just like a cut spring.
QUOTE (TannerEsser @ May 17, 2012 - 1:17 AM)
>OK i knew what i did wasn't a good thing for my car. its not a mystery why i bottom out or why i need coil overs. i asked a simple question and everyone started assuming i had no idea what i was doing. but when i decided to cut my springs i knew damn well that it was bad for my car. i just didn't care about that set up. I'm not an idiot i know cutting springs is bad. i was wondering if modification was possible because my friend told me there was somebody who did something similar on a miata forum. thanks for all your... input.
Heating springs with blowtorch > cutting springs
Get as much extra weight on the car as you can to squash the suspension( maybe a couple friends sitting on it?) and at the same time heat the coiled spring on the strut as evenly as possible with a blow torch. The spring will now be forever forged into a shorter height. Of course, the spring rate will never be proper again, just like a cut spring.
Let's just keep it to one topic.
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haha very off topic. im done with this thread. delete?
QUOTE (Rusty @ May 17, 2012 - 1:54 AM)
>Let's just keep it to one topic.
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haha very off topic. im done with this thread. delete?