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QUOTE (6strngs @ Oct 11, 2013 - 10:20 PM) *
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QUOTE (Syaoran @ Oct 11, 2013 - 3:23 PM) *
>to run straight distilled water with a bottle of Redline Water Wetter to see how it goes.


Water has a boiling temperature of 212 degrees, with a pressurized cooling system that might be up around 220-225, but that's still not leaving much head room if it starts to overheat even a little. I would probably add at least some coolant, if even only to achieve an 80/20 mix, that'll still bring your boiling point to at least 235-240, much safer IMO. Not to mention that water freezes at 32 degrees and winter is just around the corner... Coolant is also added to prevent corrosion, which if you are having to flush the system then the corrosion process has already started.

Just my opinion, do what you will with it tongue.gif


Thanks for your concern. In case you don't know what it is:
http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=74&pcid=10

On the back of the bottle it's recommended to be run with straight water, as water is better at removing heat than coolant is. I don't have to worry about freezing temperatures as Box said, because the lowest my coolant ever gets is 76*F.

Anyhow, the idea is to keep the temperatures below 200*F if possible. With the stock radiator it seems more than likely possible to do so under the current boost level. I hope that when I up the boost the cooling doesn't suffer that much and forces me into getting a larger radiator and more heat shielding to avoid heat soaking.

I currently switched back to one of the OE cooling fans (the radiator fan) and left one of the eBay fans I bought to assist it. So far, it's improved dramatically in terms of temperature control. I haven't seen it go up past 192*F even with the cleaning agent still inside the system which I'll flush out most likely tomorrow. We'll see how it goes.

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QUOTE (presure2 @ Oct 12, 2013 - 4:17 PM) *
>looks great man!!!
ahh.....makes me miss the good ole 5sfte. lots of good times running that setup, and killed SOOOOOOO many naysayers in the process.
cant wait to see your progress as your boost addiction becomes stronger..lol
this is gonna be a blast to watch!


Thanks man! This has been fun so far. Few issues here and there but it's to be expected with a turbocharged engine. I'm currently looking into getting a 3SGTE 2nd Gen oil pan, because the guy who did my oil return did a piss poor job and now it's sweating oil through the welds.

1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold1994 Celica GT Liftback
Nice job dude sounds beastly
yup, the 2nd gen oilpan is the best solution, IMO, it bolts right on, and works perfectly.

i wouldnt be worried about coolant temps. our cooling systems are pretty stout, even with the turbo setup.

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QUOTE (presure2 @ Oct 12, 2013 - 7:03 PM) *
>yup, the 2nd gen oilpan is the best solution, IMO, it bolts right on, and works perfectly.

i wouldnt be worried about coolant temps. our cooling systems are pretty stout, even with the turbo setup.


The stock pan uses 5/8" hose fitting right?

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QUOTE (kevin311 @ Oct 12, 2013 - 7:00 PM) *
>Nice job dude sounds beastly


Thanks!

1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold1994 Celica GT Liftback
Update:

New Competition Clutch Stage 4 clutch fitted. Broken in.

Currently running on 91oct, was tuned at 8PSI, ran (at the track of course) with a 220whp K24-swapped 2006 Civic Coupe and I won. Afterwards we raised the boost up to 15 PSI and the car ran like a demon straight outta hell, however we turned it down because we though we heard light knocking and the tuner didn't feel comfortable with 91 octane. I need methanol injection.

Currently tuned at 10PSI. Pulls pretty good. Missing the 15PSI lol, dyno sheets coming soon hopefully.

1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold1994 Celica GT Liftback
Careful with that boost, I blew up my 5sfte at around 12-13 PSI, granted I was only "tuned" with an SAFC. I also just shot a rod through the side of the block in my miata when it started getting boost creep to 15 psi. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE (6strngs @ Nov 18, 2013 - 11:55 AM) *
>Careful with that boost, I blew up my 5sfte at around 12-13 PSI, granted I was only "tuned" with an SAFC. I also just shot a rod through the side of the block in my miata when it started getting boost creep to 15 psi. biggrin.gif


Engines don't blow based on how much boost they're fed, a rod shot through the block happened either by oil starvation or heavy knocking/pinging...

But it feels pretty good at 10PSI still tongue.gif

1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold1994 Celica GT Liftback
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QUOTE (Syaoran @ Oct 5, 2013 - 6:16 PM) *
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Thinking about slightly changing the piping on the left side so that instead of a coupler you can see a pipe, because I'm kinda OCD like that.


Why not install foglights instead? Lol.

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Definitely can't. Piping won't let me.

1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold1994 Celica GT Liftback
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QUOTE (Syaoran @ Nov 18, 2013 - 11:31 PM) *
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QUOTE (6strngs @ Nov 18, 2013 - 11:55 AM) *
>Careful with that boost, I blew up my 5sfte at around 12-13 PSI, granted I was only "tuned" with an SAFC. I also just shot a rod through the side of the block in my miata when it started getting boost creep to 15 psi. biggrin.gif


Engines don't blow based on how much boost they're fed, a rod shot through the block happened either by oil starvation or heavy knocking/pinging...

But it feels pretty good at 10PSI still tongue.gif

15PSI caused the car to run lean, which caused the head gasket to blow, causing the cylinders to fill with water and the engine to overheat. Replaced head gasket, engine had a slight tick that I figured was lifters as it's common on a miata for the lifters to tick for a little while after you have the head off. I took the car to the track and within a few runs the tick turned into a loud rod knock. I tried to limp the car the 60 miles home, as the knock got louder, and louder, then after about 45 miles it blew up on the freeway. But if the car had just stayed around the 8-10 PSI which I had enough fuel for, this would not have happened.

This post has been edited by 6strngs: Nov 19, 2013 - 12:12 PM

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QUOTE (6strngs @ Nov 19, 2013 - 1:10 PM) *
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QUOTE (Syaoran @ Nov 18, 2013 - 11:31 PM) *
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QUOTE (6strngs @ Nov 18, 2013 - 11:55 AM) *
>Careful with that boost, I blew up my 5sfte at around 12-13 PSI, granted I was only "tuned" with an SAFC. I also just shot a rod through the side of the block in my miata when it started getting boost creep to 15 psi. biggrin.gif


Engines don't blow based on how much boost they're fed, a rod shot through the block happened either by oil starvation or heavy knocking/pinging...

But it feels pretty good at 10PSI still tongue.gif

15PSI caused the car to run lean, which caused the head gasket to blow, causing the cylinders to fill with water and the engine to overheat. Replaced head gasket, engine had a slight tick that I figured was lifters as it's common on a miata for the lifters to tick for a little while after you have the head off. I took the car to the track and within a few runs the tick turned into a loud rod knock. I tried to limp the car the 60 miles home, as the knock got louder, and louder, then after about 45 miles it blew up on the freeway. But if the car had just stayed around the 8-10 PSI which I had enough fuel for, this would not have happened.



I'm currently at a max of 70% duty cycle at 15 PSI on the 550CC injectors, running a 11.0-11.2 AFR which is still pretty rich... even the stock fuel pump isn't having problems, yet, haven't had the wish to break out the fuel pump assembly to swap it out for a Walbro or AEM that I have here.

I'm going to be running 50/50 Water/Methanol injection, which really really helps control all kinds of bad stuff. Going to be injecting 330cc for now at 10 PSI and above to control IATs and knock.

1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold1994 Celica GT Liftback
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QUOTE (Syaoran @ Nov 19, 2013 - 8:03 AM) *
>Definitely can't. Piping won't let me.


That's a bummer. How about the fog light covers?

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The driver's side one is protruding. I'd have to re-do it to be able to put both covers on.

I like the piping showing tongue.gif

1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold1994 Celica GT Liftback
It's about time for an update. Tuner slipped his finger. Blew #3. 91 octane is really bad kindasad.gif Engine has been torn down, piston taken out, ringland fell apart. Going to be putting a new piston in. I finally got a gas station next to my house that's got 93 octane, and I purchased a coolingmist 1.5gallon meth injection kit. 315cc nozzle with a spare 2gph nozzle for a dual nozzle setup if needed. Hopefully no more broken cast pistons from bad octane gas lol.



In other news, I got a new 2 row aluminum radiator, upgraded the clutch to a competition stage 4 sprung 6 puck, and got a set of BC BR Coilovers, finally.







Radiator is a pretty good fit with everything on there. On a stock 5SFE and a 3SGTE it'd fit fine. Since my setup is custom, the auxiliary or a/c fan hits the wastegate dump tube. Will need to fab a new wastegate dump. No big deal.




1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold1994 Celica GT Liftback

Wow... big update tongue.gif Sucks about the piston, but looks like its going to work out well, and the other updates are all very good smile.gif

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is that an OEM cast piston? if so, there is your problem. get something good! and yes 91 piss gas sucks.

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QUOTE (JoshuaM @ Apr 13, 2014 - 10:57 PM) *
>Wow... big update tongue.gif Sucks about the piston, but looks like its going to work out well, and the other updates are all very good smile.gif


Thanks!

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QUOTE (Smaay @ Apr 13, 2014 - 11:03 PM) *
>is that an OEM cast piston? if so, there is your problem. get something good! and yes 91 piss gas sucks.


Yep. Staying cast for now. I wanna test the limits of them with 93 and 315cc potentially 475cc (I have a second nozzle I can use to do a dual nozzle setup instead of a bigger nozzle)

If it so happens I reach my goal and they're still okay, then hoorah

Arias pistons are way too expensive and they seem to be the only ones willing to make a set for the 5S. Can't justify $600 for pistons when all other engines get pistons for 300-400 lol

I already did that with the rods and without a head upgrade I feel like I wasted my money.

This post has been edited by Syaoran: Apr 14, 2014 - 12:59 AM

1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold1994 Celica GT Liftback
First start since Feb happened on Thursday.

Seems like the oil pan didn't seal properly and is leaking behind the transmission cover plate. Another day's worth of work awaits before getting it on the road...

1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold1994 Celica GT Liftback
Oil pan leak is getting corrected in the next few days after a long hiatus. I've been very busy with my family's cars and stuff. Haven't had time to show the Celica some love... I need to get onto modding a few things before I make it roadworthy again, mainly the radiator. The posts for the fans are too long (common ocurrence with aftermarket aluminum radiators it seems, especially chinese ones) so they will need to get trimmed down for the fans to sit flush.

I want to buy new fans but I can't justify the expense lol. I also want to downgrade to a CT series turbo. I want the clean look of the OEM setup. Plus a water-cooled turbo is always a plus.

I want a custom air-cooled oil cooler setup as well. Will have to wait for the new semester to start so I can earn a few bucks. I'm thinking about going N/A for the meantime.

1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold1994 Celica GT Liftback
It's back on the road. Need to do a few more things to it, like installing a new meth kit, a downpipe vband for easier working on the car and a turbk heatshield, because it radiates way too much heat onto the radiator.

1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold1994 Celica GT Liftback
Glad you finally got it back on the road. Dealing with the oil pan on the 5s is such a PITA.
Yes it is lol. Apparently I put too small of a bead last time. This time, I straightened it out best I could and put a larger bead on it, (around 1/3 of a pinky finger's thickness, slightly larger than the grooves on the pan) and it's dry down there so far, so we're good.

1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold1994 Celica GT Liftback
Nice, I made sure I put a thick bead on mine. Been dealin with the oil pump racetrack seal leaking the last couple months, so it's finally going in the shop to get replaced. For a third time. I've done it once with the motor in and once with it out, this time I'm not messing with it lol.