my roommate ticked me off the other day bc he said my car is not a sports car... do i asked him how my celica wasnt a sports car and all he could say is "it just isnt".... so what r eveerybody's opinions on sports cars?
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I wouldnt be paying $1600 a year to insure a 1995 non-sports car. haha
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celica is not a sports car, its a subcompact. it is a fwd sporty econobox with 135 hp or less. a sports car needs to be awd or rwd and actually have some power behind it so it can be competitive for racing. some examples would include corvette, gt-r, 370z, 911, r8, etc. the gt-four i would argue is a sports car since it was designed for use in rally sport, especially the wrc.
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nissan maxima... the four door sports car!
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doesnt matter if the car is rear wheel drive, 4wd, 1 wheel drive, what ever, and most of all it doesnt matter if its fwd. it makes no differance in defining a sports car.
the renault r26... yup its fwd and it makes 230hp. yea thats more than the na 2jz.
how about this for fwd. ford focus rs... it makes 325 ftlbs of torque. 0-60 in just over 5 sec. thats faster then most rwd sports cars.
a sports car, it doesnt matter if its powered by a lawn mower engine.. a sports car is something sporty, something fun. something that puts a smile on your face. or mabey something that gets good gas millage, has looks that could kill and has 130hp.... how about a celica.
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the renault r26... yup its fwd and it makes 230hp. yea thats more than the na 2jz.
how about this for fwd. ford focus rs... it makes 325 ftlbs of torque. 0-60 in just over 5 sec. thats faster then most rwd sports cars.
a sports car, it doesnt matter if its powered by a lawn mower engine.. a sports car is something sporty, something fun. something that puts a smile on your face. or mabey something that gets good gas millage, has looks that could kill and has 130hp.... how about a celica.
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I'm inclined to agree with Promasta. I wouldn't say the Celica is a "sports car." More like a "sports coupe." Something small, light, and sporty, yet still economical and practical. I would say a "sports car" has a little more power and is quicker than your average car, where the 6th gen is just about average. However, the definition of a sports car is pretty vague and you could easily call the Celica a sports car.
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The Celica was a sports car in it's day, Whats changed? Because the Celica itself certainly hasn't.
3S-GE was and still is a high performance engine (for a 2.0L) even today, Just some countries didn't receive the correct motor.
What makes a Celica a sports car is it's styling and design, and in an uncrippled version (as originally intended by Toyota in Japan) you get the suitable engine, brakes and suspension to give you sports car handling and performance to match.
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Apart from the 370z which is a high performance sports car, the rest of those are supercars.
supercars is a different category to sports cars.
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3S-GE was and still is a high performance engine (for a 2.0L) even today, Just some countries didn't receive the correct motor.
What makes a Celica a sports car is it's styling and design, and in an uncrippled version (as originally intended by Toyota in Japan) you get the suitable engine, brakes and suspension to give you sports car handling and performance to match.
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QUOTE (Promasta @ Apr 18, 2011 - 10:23 AM) 
>gt-r, 370z, 911, r8, etc.
Apart from the 370z which is a high performance sports car, the rest of those are supercars.
supercars is a different category to sports cars.
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I always kind of defined a sports car as something that never came in a 4 door. Minimum requirement
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i would disagree delusionz
yes supercars are a different category to sports cars, they are higher end like mclaren f1, ferraris, lambos, saleen s7, zonda, bugatti, dbs, ccx...
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yes supercars are a different category to sports cars, they are higher end like mclaren f1, ferraris, lambos, saleen s7, zonda, bugatti, dbs, ccx...
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Those are categorized as "hyper" cars. There's your normal cars, sports cars, high performance sports cars, super cars, and hyper cars. In that order.
QUOTE (Promasta @ Apr 17, 2011 - 11:01 PM)
>i would disagree delusionz
yes supercars are a different category to sports cars, they are higher end like mclaren f1, ferraris, lambos, saleen s7, zonda, bugatti, dbs, ccx...
yes supercars are a different category to sports cars, they are higher end like mclaren f1, ferraris, lambos, saleen s7, zonda, bugatti, dbs, ccx...
Those are categorized as "hyper" cars. There's your normal cars, sports cars, high performance sports cars, super cars, and hyper cars. In that order.
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... What about handling? I think a sports car is first off all a good handling car. Since the 6th gen has a 4 wheel independant suspension and had some decent performances versions (2l engine and superstrut suspension), i think it is definatly a sports car... It is true that the st version seems like a maked up corolla, but i drove a 1.8l 1995 corolla and it doesn't feel as good as the celica at all.
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Your Celica may have came with a Camry motor, You may call it a Camry, but that doesn't make anyone elses Celica a Camry besides your own.
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i had always been told that a 2 door is a sport car and a 4 door is not..that what most insurance look for when u go buy a car..i didn't say it so don't take my words for it..lol
ya but there's isf, m5, sti, evo, etc which are very competitive on the track
one of the biggest things ive noticed is insurance. my mom has an '06 accord with the 2.4 v-tech, definitely faster than my st, and yet its cheaper for me to be the primary driver on her car than my own. how would this be possible if mine wasn't a sports car....
the value of her car is probably more than yours and probably less likely to be stolen/vandalized?
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Interestingly though, Of the 3 Celicas I've owned an SS-I, an SS-III and my current GT4, On the registration papers where it says Body type the SS-I said Hatchback while the SS-III and GT4 said Sports Car.
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I think because people in the US see celicas used as econo cars we view them as non-sporty but everyone else around the world that had gt4's and ss*** models available are calling them sports cars. I think if in the US we would have gotten those we would consider celicas sporty. IMO i definately think its sporty. I just sold my BMW 325 coupe and I loved the way it handled, but honestly the interior was OK... the celica's interior is very closely related to the supra and feels like your own personal cockpit. Also the celica handes just as good as the bmw did..... I take the same turns at the same speed and feels good to me.......
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and i have the insurance rates to prove it!
2 seater RWD 287hp 6-speed
and i have the insurance rates to prove it!
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thats the thing though... some ppl define them strictly on looks... so basically u could put a prius motor and transmission on a frame with the blown out suspension from an old cadillac with a corvette body and they would still call it a sports car.... sports car depends on the history an complete family of the car.... sports cars generally come from a model that never had a 4 door version (with some exceptions like certain hatchbacks, wrx-sti and evo, but an m5, and cars of the like, are still sedans... if u pay for a bmw u pay for the best they can offer which means its gonna handle and perform like a sports car with the luxury of a sedan)... as far as i know, i cant think of any sports cars that were offered in a 4 door version other than the exceptions mentioned above... ferrari and porsche both now have those ugly 4 door cars that are sporty based only on the past of the company.
The USDM model designations also stand for sports tourer and grand tourer both of which are synonymous with sports car.
And you can't deny the heritage with the Celica Supra, Celica XX, Celica GT-Four.
Either way you look at it, the Celica is intended to be an affordable sports car, a step down from the Supra along side the MR2 and in Japan a step up from the Corolla GT and Toyota Trueno/Levin 1600cc sports cars
And you can't deny the heritage with the Celica Supra, Celica XX, Celica GT-Four.
Either way you look at it, the Celica is intended to be an affordable sports car, a step down from the Supra along side the MR2 and in Japan a step up from the Corolla GT and Toyota Trueno/Levin 1600cc sports cars
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And if going by the same token USDM got 5S-FE instead of 3S-GTE
Can we apply this same logic to your USDM 240sx and say its not a sports car when the same car in the rest of the world (depending on marked called 180sx or 200sx) received SR20DET ?
the KA24 is another piece of **** engine just like the 5SFE
No offense to anyone rocking a 5S, but that thing is a boat anchor compared to a 3S-GTE you can't deny that
Can we apply this same logic to your USDM 240sx and say its not a sports car when the same car in the rest of the world (depending on marked called 180sx or 200sx) received SR20DET ?
the KA24 is another piece of **** engine just like the 5SFE
No offense to anyone rocking a 5S, but that thing is a boat anchor compared to a 3S-GTE you can't deny that
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I'd have to disagree on that point. The KA24DE comes stock with almost 150hp, plenty of aftermarket following, and they're a very durable and torquey engine. I know a lot of drifters that drive 240's and half of them choose the KA over the SR, not because of price, but because they firmly believe it's a better engine. I've seen their KA's in action and they're beastly.
But this is a Celica forum, not an S-chassis forum. So, irrelevant.
But as for the Celica, I feel that any car that wasn't derived from the design of an economy model, should be categorized as a sports car. Even though the USDM Celicas have Corolla and Camry motors, their body styles point towards sports cars. But cars like the Civic Type R, though a high-performance car, I don't hold it the same category, since they came from a Civic. It's different with the Integra Type R, though. That was designed to be a sports car. Catch my drift?
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QUOTE (delusionz @ Apr 18, 2011 - 11:24 AM)
>the KA24 is another piece of **** engine just like the 5SFE
I'd have to disagree on that point. The KA24DE comes stock with almost 150hp, plenty of aftermarket following, and they're a very durable and torquey engine. I know a lot of drifters that drive 240's and half of them choose the KA over the SR, not because of price, but because they firmly believe it's a better engine. I've seen their KA's in action and they're beastly.
But this is a Celica forum, not an S-chassis forum. So, irrelevant.
But as for the Celica, I feel that any car that wasn't derived from the design of an economy model, should be categorized as a sports car. Even though the USDM Celicas have Corolla and Camry motors, their body styles point towards sports cars. But cars like the Civic Type R, though a high-performance car, I don't hold it the same category, since they came from a Civic. It's different with the Integra Type R, though. That was designed to be a sports car. Catch my drift?
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Sorry bro, any sports car list with a Geo Storm in it is shi!t in my book.
sports car
noun
sports cars, plural
A low-built car designed for performance at high speeds
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a small low car with a high-powered engine; usually seats two persons
The term sports car has been defined as "an open, low-built, fast motor car." The term describes a class of automobile with two seats, two doors, precise handling, brisk acceleration, and sharp braking -- trading practical considerations such as passenger space, comfort, and cargo capacity ...
An automobile designed for high speed and power, tight handling, and flashy looks
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QUOTE (Culpable04 @ Apr 18, 2011 - 2:12 PM)
Sorry bro, any sports car list with a Geo Storm in it is shi!t in my book.
sports car
noun
sports cars, plural
A low-built car designed for performance at high speeds
Web definitions
a small low car with a high-powered engine; usually seats two persons
The term sports car has been defined as "an open, low-built, fast motor car." The term describes a class of automobile with two seats, two doors, precise handling, brisk acceleration, and sharp braking -- trading practical considerations such as passenger space, comfort, and cargo capacity ...
An automobile designed for high speed and power, tight handling, and flashy looks
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Sports car IMO
Its real simple...my 2004 Taurus liability only was 32 monthly.
My 94 7afe Celica ST liability is 46 monthly. Same insurance, same coverage.
Thus sports car. It handles, looks, and was originally designed to have power.
The celica you or I have, may not be a "sports car" but it can, and in my case...will be.
In the end, what I call my car, and what you call yours doesn't matter, aslong as you enjoy daily....or atleast think about enjoying.
Its real simple...my 2004 Taurus liability only was 32 monthly.
My 94 7afe Celica ST liability is 46 monthly. Same insurance, same coverage.
Thus sports car. It handles, looks, and was originally designed to have power.
The celica you or I have, may not be a "sports car" but it can, and in my case...will be.
In the end, what I call my car, and what you call yours doesn't matter, aslong as you enjoy daily....or atleast think about enjoying.
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LOL this is such failed logic. I have an 06 Speed6 (not a sports car) and quoted an 06 350z (undoubtedly sports car) and it was the exact same numbers. I did the same thing with a 1998 Celica GT. My bodily injury liability went down $1.60 and property damage went up $2.70.
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QUOTE (rave2n @ Apr 18, 2011 - 3:05 PM)
>Sports car IMO
Its real simple...my 2004 Taurus liability only was 32 monthly.
My 94 7afe Celica ST liability is 46 monthly. Same insurance, same coverage.
Thus sports car.
Its real simple...my 2004 Taurus liability only was 32 monthly.
My 94 7afe Celica ST liability is 46 monthly. Same insurance, same coverage.
Thus sports car.
LOL this is such failed logic. I have an 06 Speed6 (not a sports car) and quoted an 06 350z (undoubtedly sports car) and it was the exact same numbers. I did the same thing with a 1998 Celica GT. My bodily injury liability went down $1.60 and property damage went up $2.70.
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If you're 16-22 you will be.
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>I wouldnt be paying $1600 a year to insure a 1995 non-sports car. haha
If you're 16-22 you will be.
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Well considering on the phone when I spoke to them about the increase their statement was "Well the Celica is in a sports category, where as the taurus is not"
Try explaining that failed logic to all insurance companies and see how far you get...I bet you'll still pay in a sports category, regardless of my "failed logic"
Did you also happen to consider that one vehicle may have more safety features than the other which in turn lowers the insurance costs? That damn failed logic and its broad spectrum can really heat up a debate.
QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Apr 18, 2011 - 2:31 PM)
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LOL this is such failed logic. I have an 06 Speed6 (not a sports car) and quoted an 06 350z (undoubtedly sports car) and it was the exact same numbers. I did the same thing with a 1998 Celica GT. My bodily injury liability went down $1.60 and property damage went up $2.70.
QUOTE (rave2n @ Apr 18, 2011 - 3:05 PM)
>Sports car IMO
Its real simple...my 2004 Taurus liability only was 32 monthly.
My 94 7afe Celica ST liability is 46 monthly. Same insurance, same coverage.
Thus sports car.
Its real simple...my 2004 Taurus liability only was 32 monthly.
My 94 7afe Celica ST liability is 46 monthly. Same insurance, same coverage.
Thus sports car.
LOL this is such failed logic. I have an 06 Speed6 (not a sports car) and quoted an 06 350z (undoubtedly sports car) and it was the exact same numbers. I did the same thing with a 1998 Celica GT. My bodily injury liability went down $1.60 and property damage went up $2.70.
Well considering on the phone when I spoke to them about the increase their statement was "Well the Celica is in a sports category, where as the taurus is not"
Try explaining that failed logic to all insurance companies and see how far you get...I bet you'll still pay in a sports category, regardless of my "failed logic"
Did you also happen to consider that one vehicle may have more safety features than the other which in turn lowers the insurance costs? That damn failed logic and its broad spectrum can really heat up a debate.
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as much as I dislike the car, it still had similar power figures as the FWD version of the USDM celicas of the same year, and the car was basically an Isuzu Impulse.
Have I revise the list to make sure I agree with every single car on it ? no
the list is not to be put at my refrigerator but it was intented to clarify that a FWD car can also be a Sports car which seem to be the heart of the argument here.
QUOTE (Supersprynt @ Apr 18, 2011 - 2:59 PM)
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Sorry bro, any sports car list with a Geo Storm in it is shi!t in my book.
sports car
noun
sports cars, plural
A low-built car designed for performance at high speeds
Web definitions
a small low car with a high-powered engine; usually seats two persons
The term sports car has been defined as "an open, low-built, fast motor car." The term describes a class of automobile with two seats, two doors, precise handling, brisk acceleration, and sharp braking -- trading practical considerations such as passenger space, comfort, and cargo capacity ...
An automobile designed for high speed and power, tight handling, and flashy looks
QUOTE (Culpable04 @ Apr 18, 2011 - 2:12 PM)
Sorry bro, any sports car list with a Geo Storm in it is shi!t in my book.
sports car
noun
sports cars, plural
A low-built car designed for performance at high speeds
Web definitions
a small low car with a high-powered engine; usually seats two persons
The term sports car has been defined as "an open, low-built, fast motor car." The term describes a class of automobile with two seats, two doors, precise handling, brisk acceleration, and sharp braking -- trading practical considerations such as passenger space, comfort, and cargo capacity ...
An automobile designed for high speed and power, tight handling, and flashy looks
as much as I dislike the car, it still had similar power figures as the FWD version of the USDM celicas of the same year, and the car was basically an Isuzu Impulse.
Have I revise the list to make sure I agree with every single car on it ? no
the list is not to be put at my refrigerator but it was intented to clarify that a FWD car can also be a Sports car which seem to be the heart of the argument here.