i have seen some speedos in KMS recently. wondering if anyone knows who and what is

the 300KM speedo non (st205) with 9 rpm redline



the 180km Speedo with 9 rpm redline


i know the st205 has max of 180 and 9 rpm redline

I just looked at mine, gt USDM and the max in km is 240km so what is the deal?

the beams is 180



why the whole mess?

i think the only odd one out here is the 300km/h TRD one, it was some kinda special option/upgrade.

I think the only reason we have 240km/h on ours is cause ours goes up to 150 mph? and they may have thought that stopping the kmh at 180 would look silly? lol

to be honest we know the 4 is capable of way more than 180kph, i think thats like 120mph... dont know why they stopped there, and toyota knows the 5s couldn't touch 150mph, so i have no clue why we got that either. some things will never make sense...

Maybe they want us with the slow engine to think we can go fast, and those with the fast engine to think they can only go slow?!

This post has been edited by samir0189: Nov 5, 2009 - 9:48 PM

^ 180 is a touch under 120; 200 is roughly 120, to be exact.

And as a side note, I thought the redline was where the red line actually starts, if you know what I'm saying...you mention a 9k redline up there.

what's funny is how some gtfours come with a 280km/h gauge stock.. then there's a 300 km/h trd version that costs a few hundreds more.

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EDIT: Got my facts wrong! Anyway... I just found out in Kevstir's thread the other day that the UK spec GT's with the 3S-GE have a 180 mph speedo, where our crappy 5S GT's only have a 150 mph speedo. I know there's a difference in power, but it seems to me that a 150 mph speedo would have sufficed in the UK spec GT's, and I know my car would LOVE a 180 mph speedo.

This post has been edited by richee3: Nov 5, 2009 - 11:21 PM

^ Why, GT's can't top 150 right?

Lol. No. Not even close. I just meant that it would look awesome to have a 180 mph speedo in my car. I was also kind of alluding that it would have been more cost-effective to go with one speedometer in both cars, which is probably why the 6gc was "overpriced" at the time. Mine was 22K brand new, has everything but leather and the alarm system. I can't say that's a bad price at all. See what a comparably equipped tC will cost, then say the 6gc is overpriced.

all the speedos interpet the signal from the speed sensor on the tranny.

the kph speedos count the mileage counter in kms and the mph ones count the mileage counter in miles.

the rpms dials are basically the same (except for the beams). Some engines are just higher reving like the 3sge/3sgtes and the 7a/5s have a lower rev limit. If you put a 9k rpm dial in your cluster nothing changes, your redline is still where it was.

If you put a km speedo in your cluster the mileage counter will not count miles, it'll count kms. Other than that the needle will still move and you still go the same speed as before.

most (if not all) JDM celica speedos are 180 kpm max and non JDM ones are listed higher. The reason being that in Japan it's law that the car cannot go above 180kph (112mph) from the manufactuer. The US and many other countries don't have this law.

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Well yeah, but you can't compare '98 price to today's...but I'm not sure what it would be after inflation.

I'm pretty sure mine was a little above 18 grand...which I think is pretty expensive for a car with not very many amenities...however, I'm not complaining. There's nothing I really miss.

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Nov 5, 2009 - 11:40 PM

from looking at that guage cluster 3rd gen 3S-GE SS-II or SS-III 94-97 (Non- BEAMS) with a TRD speedo

Batman your right about those JDM facts (all should have 180km/h on them unless they say NISMO, TRD or something like that) also has speed cut around 180km/h which is controlled by the ECU (so apperenlty swapping the speedo over wont get rid of the speed cut)

On a side note there was also a "gentlemans agreement" about not passing a specfic HP rating, dont know if that still exists or not?

This post has been edited by Rusty: Nov 6, 2009 - 12:25 AM

The 300km/h unit is the TRD Japan item (Aka for race use only), they have a part number for it but it's discontinued.

All JDM cars have a 180km/h speed limiter built into the ECU (As by Japanese law) hence theres no point in having anything over 180.

In the UK the posted speed limits are in Miles per hour, When UK people import JDM cars, they use a speed converter (Clicks divided by 1.6) and place a sticker reading "MPH" over the original dial which says km/h. (This also has the effect of raising the speed limiter from 180km/h to 180mph.)

The export Celica model (destined for markets outside of Japan where there is no 180km/h law) reads 240km/h on the speedo.

the ss-III with beams can hit 147 mph... that pretty much uses up the whole speedometer doesnt it

and gt-four can hit 155 mph??

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Nov 6, 2009 - 3:51 AM

Don't know, Look on youtube, I don't do things to lose my license and impound my cars!

From what I've seen on youtube the needle can go past 180km/h

its really just a gauge cluster upgrade or option, the sensors will read it the same way it always has. Nothing changes.

The rpm gauge on the ST has a longer red line area than the GT (USDM models). Then you look at the JDM spec Rpm gauges they are the same as the ST (At200).

NZ new (non JDM) GT4 ST205 speedo



Very rare car this, I believe it's 1 of 5 in the country maybe?



for some reason the hand brake indicator says BRAKE instead of the usual (!) symbol

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I just saw one of those trd speedo's for sale last night...I think it may have been ebay uk but I don't quite remember...it was a very decent price as well.

edit: found it. I may just bring this baby into the country
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Toyota-celica-ST205-...=item25570495ae

This post has been edited by schmooot: Nov 7, 2009 - 11:42 AM

woah! good spotting there delusionz, didn't notice that part before

This post has been edited by Rusty: Nov 7, 2009 - 3:18 PM

too bad the trd was not sold in miles, there would be no point in usa, but canada its another story

i'd really like the part number of this speedo to convert my jdm 180km/u speedo in my GT-4

you'd still have speed cut at 180km/h though, since its controlled by the ECU


-speedo part numbers from toyodiy+

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everything is so simple (and behind is just politics and engine differences).

RPMs
9000rpms - JDM
8000rpm - non JDM

speedo
180km - JDM
240km - Euro ST
280km - Euro GT/GT-four
300km - TRD speedo
150mph/240km - US/UK ST
180mph/280km - US/UK GT

combo gauge
two gauges - GT/ST
two gauges and "gears" - GT/ST automatic
three gauges - GT-four

And what you have is combination of JDM rpm and Euro GT/GT-four speedo. The same is the one in original topic... JDM GT cluster with TRD speedo. I have three different clusters at home so I can make any combination I want . My aim is having GT-four JDM cluster with TRD speedo . So if you want that 280km speedo you must look for European LHD GT/GT-four speedo in EPC only.

edit: that 280km speedo has part number 83110-2D550 . There are tons of part numbers for JDM Celica speedos I do not get why... they are all 180km and just in black or white. For everyone interested complete list is below:

JDM


European


US/CND


This post has been edited by malpaso: Nov 10, 2009 - 3:49 AM

ok thank you very much

Ahh yes but that one comes from an NZ GT4 celica, not a JDM celica

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NZ had special market for Celicas or they are the same as OZ ones? I'm asking because OZ Celicas are mix of all markets (US, JDM and European ).

NZ has its own market.

NZ new models are Toyota Celica GS (ST204) equiv to USDM GT but has a 240km speedo.

AUS market Celicas are SX, SX-R and ZR, all ST204 and carry a 5S-FE.

The NZ GT-Four is very rare, the first 5 were imported by Toyota NZ from the Australian batch of Group A Rallye.

However that 280km/h speedo I posted is from a 1997 model (So is not a Rallye model).

It has a NON-WRC engine, but has a hood spoiler -- Interesting?

It's RHD, NZ New, Leather Seats, Sunroof, Non-facelift Tails, 3 post low spoiler, Fitted dash mat, Manual aircon.

Normally in JDM Celicas there is a storage hole next to the cigarette lighter, this one has a blanked out switch panel.

It's not Aus spec since the only Aus spec GT-Fours are Group A Rallye (correct me if I'm wrong Cuts?)

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/C...n-238178204.htm

Also interesting is the registration label which says 1997 TOYOTA CELICA 2.0TP 4WD LBACK3 5M whereas my registration label on my JDM simply says 1996 TOYOTA CELICA GT-FOUR

This webpage speaks of the "only" 5 GT4s sold new in NZ (Aus spec Group A Rallye)

http://gtfour.supras.org.nz/history.htm

So obviously the guy doesn't know about this 1997 silver nz new GT4 which appeared on trademe.

So that makes 6 NZ new GT4s in total (that we know about)

And as I said, It's not one of the Group A Rallye models so it can't be Aus spec (Where did it come from??)

As on the webpage that mentions the 5 GT4's sold initially, there was one of each colour. I've seen the red one in person once, It looked as though it had been modified. I saw the GT-Four and Group A Rallye badges on the rear right of the car, To the left was a Toyota prefixed Celica badge to the left.

A little while ago we saw a damaged NZ new 1994(?) White GT4 on trademe listed by repocars (repossessed cars, aka seized by authorities for being naughty), I did not see the Group A Rallye badge on the rear so this so this could make 7 NZ new GT4s in total that we know about.

We should make a thread about the illusive NZ New GT4s (Theres a million ex-japan imports, but spot the difference on the rare ones is fun!)