I have my car for sale and did not have much intrest. So I might keep it. If so I have some money saved to mod my car. I had a ct20b installed not to long ago. Not sure If I should get a bigger turbo and aem fic? Or keep the ct20b and get a aem fic with 3 bar map fuel rail and bigger injectors? I want 325 to the wheels and I have added everything I could to my 2nd gen and I am at the fuel systems limits. Suspension is done so I am good there. Any ideas

This post has been edited by mk7celica: Sep 17, 2009 - 9:08 PM

if you have 440cc, then upgrade.

540cc do the job to 320whp, they can hold AFR still rich at 21psi at their limit

Get colder spark plugs NGK BKR7E, 540cc or more, standalone system, boost controller, 3" exhaust line, apexi power intake or hks superpower(smthing like that), and get a tune at 11,5:1 AFR at 20 or 21psi
you will have 320whp but don't daily drive that on a ct20b, especially on a ceramic turbine

This post has been edited by domyz: Sep 12, 2009 - 6:37 PM

only thing I dont have is a ems fuel rail an injectors and afr gauge. exhaust an everything else i have

you are 2000$ before your next safe HP increase

Cam gears, Alcohol injection, Safc and dyno tuning.

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he dont need any of that stuff, art, he ran 13.3!
http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=364983 (post #5, my reply in post #35 is classic)

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LoL. thats epic.
I wouldn't mind the BSing, if he didn't try to insult our community for not being into the 11s, when he himself hasn't even broken into 13s.

I did run a 1.3 2 weeks ago on less boost than you presure2. And I do need new stuff because 13.3 well in you eyes manny must be the bomb but here is a wakeup call manny mid 13's are slow. I have $3000 saved for upgrades or to get a mr2. I probaly will but it in me celica so I can be the 1st 6gc swapped 3sgte into the 12's then maybe manny will get off his high horse. 13.6 slow 13.3 slow THINK ABOUT It. Basically manny your stuck in the stone age as far as making your celica faster. I have less bost and mods than you and I am faster oh and dont blame it on your driving your older than been driving longer and had your car longer. Also It would be nice if you reframe from posting on other sites that I am on It just makes You look like a asz..

Oh and this thread/post probily will be closed since you close very post I open because you king manny of 6gc.net

And I did not put the 6cg community down I just said ather front wheel drive cars get into the 11's-12's all the time with the same amount of hp most of the celicas on here have. So why cant a 6gc celica get into the 11's. No one has tried and manny thinks 13.6 is fast. You would get smoked by every car around here if you think 13.6 is fast.

Back on topic to your original question.

If you are looking for your next upgrade....you are looking at spending some serious money. This is the biggest draw back from the GEN2 3sgte, is the 440cc injectors. They limit your basic modding bolt ons fairly quickly (around 300whp).

You NEED bigger injectors, and there are only 2 proven ways of achieving this on a GEN2 3sgte. You can go with the ATS rom tune, 550cc injector, and turbo package (GT3071 or TD06) or you can step up to a full standalong ECU, bigger injectors, and larger turbo.

If you are also looking to improve your times in the 1320, you will see MASSIVE gains in upgrading to an LSD E153. You will see such larger improvements for a few reasons:
Longer gears
Better traction due to LSD transmission
And you can cage the axles to run slicks SAFELY.

A bit off topic....but in line with your drive to running faster times:

The problem with nobody running times sub 13's on the FWD Celica is there arent many people actually interested in running that fast and/or they dont have the funds. the majority of this site are young kids which usually goes hand in hand with no money.

I know I would love to see some Celicas into the 12's and faster, but it wont be common at best. You must remember that in order for a Celica to get into the high 13's low 14's they already have about 4-5000$ invested into there cars whether it be swap or 5sfte. To take the next step of dropping even more money to drop into the 12 or 11 second range is a BIG step for most. Its not that the Celica cant get into the 12sec range...it just most dont have the desire and/or the funds to do so.

Based off my power of 330whp at 21psi, I have enough power to run in the 12's EASILY with my car IF I can pull off a 2.0sec 60ft or better (I wouldnt plan on better tho ).

Its only a matter on time before you see Celica diving into the 12's and 11's.....trust me .

other then the beef you and Manny have, there is no reason this thread should be closed or deleted....it could use some cleaning of the nonsense tho

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Have you made any attempts at breaking 12's, or is it postponed because your car is down?

I have not attempted any track times with my car as for the obvious reasons of wating for parts to come in....but the 6GC is essentially a Srt4 or Honda running an MR2 drivetrain. Srt4's and Honda's are capable of cutting 2.0 or better 60ft times with a PROPERLY setup up car. I have made ALL the provisions, and Shannon also, that are physically possible to help the FWD Celica cut decent 60ft times....so I am eagerly awaiting next track season to see what my setup will put down.

As for now, I can only compare my setup to an Mr2 (same Drivetrain, and similar motor, but the 6GC tends to be a fair bit lighter) cutting a 2.0 or WORSE 60ft time. And based off my OLD numbers of 330whp at 21psi....I have enough power to EASILY be WELL into the 12's. An Mr2 running this kind of power is in the low 12's to high 11's cutting around a 2.0 60ft time, so it is a fair comparison. We will just have to wait for the next track season to actually verify.

You will be seeing both me AND Shannon posting up some much deserved times (both for us and the community as a whole) next track season.

Can't wait.

But would the MR2 in fact have a faster 60 ft. time since it can launch better?

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your so smart, do you fail to realize that i dont even have a 3sgte?? if it were about how much boost i want to run, or the track time i want to run, i certainly wouldnt be running a 5sfte.
i dont care how much boost you run, or what your times are. lol
i dont get where you get off saying for ME to come off my high horse, when your the one trying to bull**** on other forums.
i've said it forever here, and everyone that knows me has heard me say it.
im just a dude, with a car. hell, it isnt even MINE, its my wifes. mine is a stock, multicolored POS.
and just FYI, your right, 13.6 IS slow, and ive said it many times since i ran it..at least im not going around saying i ran faster than what i actually have.
ill stay stuck in the stone age, with my 300whp 5sfte, if it means dealing with meatballs like you. if i wanted alot more than that, i'd just swap to a 3rd or 4th gen 3sgte, and actually be able to select the parts and build and tune it myself.
and about my driving, if you knew me at all, you would know i am the first to say i am not the greatest driver by far, and my times reflect that.
hell, my wife normally runs faster than me at the track.
im done here.

Yes, an Mr2 can launch MUCHHHH Harder then a FWD 6GC EVER can.....but I was strictly comparing my power numbers to those of MR2's running with the same OR LESS power running 2.0sec or WORSE 60ft times...since a properly setup Celica should be able to regularly achieve a 2.0sec or BETTER 60ft.....just ask Matt (Death) on this site. He has cut a 2.0sec 60ft time regularly on his GEN2 swap running an S54 non lsd transmission, no coil overs, and no slicks......

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Cars running just no perfect at high boost but Its gotta be I am running out of fuel

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Sounds good I am going to the track again oct 4th and plan to run 17lbs maybe a little less because of the power los an I may be running out of fuel. When I ran the 13.3 2 weeks ago it was at night alot cooler weather and the boost was at 16lbsish and it did not cut out or had no power loss. Maybe because of the cooler air and I may be getting heat soaked. Because at the rtack it did not do it but the car was sitting and was pretty cooled off in between races. But the funny thing on the way home I experienced the power loss hesitation the whole way home. I dont get it unless its the heat saok

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My best 60 ft 2 weeks ago was 2.2 60 ft. I noticed it took me a few runs to feather the clutch to where it dont spin in 1st and 2nd gear. I was suprised when I saw my 6oft in the 13.3 run because it was the best I ever had in this car. That may have contibuted to the better 1/4 mile tim I had. On the old ct26 and at stock boost I had 2.5 60ft on average

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Yea a 60ft time has a good amount to do with a 1/4mile time, but I noticed My car has a fairly good low end but once I hit 80 or so the top end has less pull and power compared to the low end. I need a turbo that will pull good in low end and top end. If I can get a better top end I think I can be in thehigh 12's. And also I changed the tires for the last 13.3 quarter mile run to small slicks but there more of a slick for auto cross. It helped alot usually I would spin the hole 60ft now it spun have as much

Be very careful if you think you are running out of fuel at 17psi. Do you have a wideband in the car? If not, before you continue to run at or above 17psi.....run over to the dyno and do a few pulls to check your AFR's If your AFR's are below 12:1 then you fuel is not your issue.

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Yes I am not running at that high of boost right now because of that reason. I am suppose to make a appointment at a dyno this week and I will see what the afrs are. I am getting a lean code but I cant figure out why. Will order a afr right now, since I am going to need it anyway

*tosses his GT3071R onto the table*

just becuz were alrdy off topic...

also, bigger turbo + ems is going to run u well over 2g's unless u buy junk, aem ems cost me 1500 (plug and play on USDM/JDM 94-99 ST-XXX, chassi), gt3071 just over 1000 new

and i can get u a set of 540cc gen3 injectors OEM off the dealer for 180$ shipped get rid of that ct20b before it causes you more problems than anything

This post has been edited by Mstoochn: Sep 13, 2009 - 8:08 PM

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I got $3000 right now. so turbo $1000 $1500 ems injector/rails $500?=======$3000 hopefully by then I will have more saved to get tuned.


Also a ems a aem ems compared to a apexi power fc for a mr2 with wiring fixed Which is better. I see apexi power fc for $1000 pretty often

I haven't had time to look @ apexi product but i like the idea of having multiple tuning modes at the touch of a button to re-map for track vs street use.
(Aem ems going into tomorrow morning) unless i hit a snag

I believe an s252 is a fair chunk cheaper than a gt3071 if u wana go that route, if it your looking for quicker spool (hinders your upgrading abilities in the future) gt2871, really just a steel ct20b, .6 ar over .63 of a gt3071 avoid some turbo lag without cam/gears

This post has been edited by Mstoochn: Sep 13, 2009 - 8:24 PM

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I am looking at a td06 20 g turbo from a mrsoc member. He made 390 hp at 20psi. I hear good things about these turbos and its in my price range and hp goals. What do you think

And also If I get the td06 I can get a ats rom tune ecu upgrade for the td06 so that will save me tuning and ems moneys. I would get the dual mode ecu upgrade also for race gas and regular. The turbo kit come with mani,adaptor turbo oil fedd drain lines. Any opinions on this

So I read some of this stuff and I have some questions,
What was your reasoning for the walbro fuel pump without any other fuel mods (like injectors)?
How do you know your at the fuel systems limit without having an afr gauge? If it is just because you are getting a lean code that isn't a really good way to tell cause that could be caused by a few other things as well.

Also, I did see mention of using the AEM FIC and it seems you may have ruled that out already but I just wanted to add my opinion about it. I do have the FIC and it is good but its just basically a very good SAFC, only really has basic control of fuel and a few other useful things. If you are willing to spend like a grand on a piggyback or standalone system and you are going to more fuel mods along with the bigger turbo I'd suggest something better than the FIC.

And about the arguments going on here, Manny may come off like a big mean jerk sometimes but you have to understand what he is getting at. When there are inconsistencies in some of the information posted it seems very shady, there's no need to lie about anything, everyone is just here for good information. Lies just lead to bad info on the forums which is useless and deceiving to everyone.
I'm not saying you are a liar or not but I see inconsistencies also, like saying here that you didn't say anything condescending toward the 6gc community in general when you did say "Stay off my thread if you are a member on 6gc" along with a few other comments about the 6gc community in general. That is something I would take offense to, as well as you telling Manny to say off any other forums you are on because that's not right either.

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Firts off I was very annoyed and it seemed like manny was doing to me by calling me a liar and other things. . Also it seems like people take manny's side thus thats why I said if your are a 6gc member dont post, Because I new they would be backing manny as usual and I would not get much posts about the thread topic. I have meet many good people on this site, but sometimes people clah and I guess thats the case with me and manny.


Now back to the thread, The walbro pump was installed because the shop said it was a good idea. Peopl say the gen 2 fuel limits are around 17lbs. Now I can hit 17lbs and I dont have a fcd hooked up. I hit fuel cut with a cel on at 18lbs thats why I have it at the highest 17lbs. But dont run there no more since I havee issues when I do. What I dont understand is I can go that high up in boost and not have a fcd. I am way below sea level maybe thats it.


Ok my thoughts for the upgrade for the time being. Get ats fuel rail and 550 injectors. and a apexi power fc for a mr2 have it repinned an raise the boost to 20lbs. Keep that setup for a while then save up more get the bigger turbo and cams to reach my 350+ hp power goals,

Does anyone know how to repin a apexi power fc from a sw20 mr2 to a st185 ? Wouldnt it be like repinnig a sard mr2 ecu to fit a celica?

Will pay someone to do it let me kow

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There is a golden rule on the internet regarding 1/4mile runs or dyno numbers. Don't claim them if you dont have a sheet or video to post. I ran an 11.2 last weekend in my car. It was a very cool night, and my car was just running great....wait what? You dont believe me? Oh well I lost my time slip when I was going so fast with the windows down on the run that broke me into the 10s. ..... See what im trying to say here? Its all BS without a time slip.

I personally cant understand how you went from 14-15s runs to a low 13, with only a handful of runs under your belt.

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You have a lot to learn my friend. The first thing I would say to keep in mind is to never base your cars fuel system limits on what "people say" and especially not based them on some random boost pressure number.

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That's because you are about to blow your motor. Not being mean, just telling you that's what that hesitation is all about.


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I do and have done it before. How much are you willing to pay?

This post has been edited by lagos: Sep 14, 2009 - 12:43 AM

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Ran 14.1 on ct26 on stock boost 10lbs in 1st 2nd 3rd and 12lbs in 4th and 5th with tvis hooked up. That was old setup
new setup ct20b on 16-17lbs and small slicks why is that hard to believe