ok i just wanted to know what you would do and why?


I say Turbo cause for me that is the best option... I can install the turbo myself in one day once i have all the parts... I'll be able to still pass emissions and if i don't i can just pull the turbo out and make the car N/A again...i'll also be about to get a turbo and the rest of the part for a lot less then i could get a jdm engine... and i'm not out to make crazy hp anything more then 200 is to much for me.. i just want a little more kick then what i already have.

This post has been edited by macavely: Oct 15, 2003 - 10:19 AM

I voted Swap because I to have a 95 coupe and My engine is running strong but I don't now if it will last and I don't have $2000 bucks or more to throw on my engine that might just die.

I voted TURBO, cuz in my case there is practicly NO chance to find good motor for swap (3S-GTE or 4A-GZE) and i can Turbo my engine for low 800$... So >>

i say swap. More power and a lot more options on tunning.

my swap is almost done.

i already turboed my car, lol

i did it because of less down time, emissions laws, and the fact that my car is still under warranty and an ST auto.

weather you should swap or turbo is up to the car and the owner. depends on where you live and how much money you have.

thee is no set answer as to which to do. but if you want all out power, its better to do a swap.

For the money your better off with a swap.

Swap. But if you only have a little bit of money, turbo is better.

Turbo'in the 5 is going to be almost as expensive.

Turbo the 5s or 7a and try to break the zombie effect on the 3s which is running rampant. For no apparent reason.

- swap

why upgrade just a small part of the motor when you can do the whole thing??

if your gonna do something do it right or don't do it at all.

^^^

i'm with stupid

http://celica.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?u...c;f=29;t=004719

maybe that will help a little with the decision.

he has had bad luck. but the engine problems came from when he had the engine rebuilt before he went turbo.

People can we really stop burying the n/a to turbo setups-christ its getting old. Im turbocharging my 5s with 77k miles on it at 6-7psi. So I imagine from eveyones thoughts is ..its gonna blow its not worth it, get over yourself and the 3s dream. We all have different hp goals and i want 165whp...so what if a mustang beats me Im gonna wanna keep building.....no. There will always alwalys be someone faster and a motor swap is not for everyone and a T-setup is not for everyone. So the whole "its not worht it" is really getting old...its all HP right and keeping everything in safe parameters is what its all about. I dont want to argure the damn swap with anyone but open your mind and realize there are several other options that make HP weather it be bulding the head of the 5s...swapping the 3sgte...T-charging 5s or 7a so all in all. Do what YOU feel is right..not what the more popular reply is.

First of, no one was talking to just "you" but you want to take it as a direct reply, thats cool. And another thing @ss, Im 21 I own my own appartment, pay bills, father died, moms sicker than s***. I decide what I want and I was simply stating that alot of "you" talk about the swap and never do it and always reccomend it. There are other alternatives than a damn swap genius(such as custom T-kit).
DO NOT make assumptions of other people when you dont know jack about them and again no-one was talking directly to you so ease off.

This post has been edited by 5sfeTurbo: Oct 16, 2003 - 1:02 AM

Ok boys lets cool down....
both of you have great points...
yea the swap is better if you want to do more in the future, but yea there are some people that just want a little more power nothin crazy just something to make that midnight tiggermart run a little more fun... i'm one of those people, i will be slapping on a turbo simple cause of the laws in my state. specifical when it comes to insurance. an engine was would not be covered puls that would raise my insure way more then what i could ever pay. if i blow my engine well thats on me i rather blow the stock engine then blow a 3s or 4a cause just because they are built for boost doesn't mean that they can't blow.. Like i was told by some one that knows more about engine then Bill Gates knows about computers... told me
an engine can only do what you let it...

oh yea another thing just a question for everyone with a swap.. i'm not knocking you for doing it cause i really wish i lived in a state were i can do it and had the money to do it.... but back to my question How do you really know how many miles your engine has when you swap it in??

This post has been edited by macavely: Oct 16, 2003 - 2:18 AM

For the money, your better off with the Turbo

let my cosin have it seeing as it will drop right into his MR2... we are going to trun that into a monster...lol ...lol ..lol... yea i have problems and hey i scored a 190 an my IQ test and can't spell to save my life...whats up with that...and i guess i'm just hard headed cause i have it stuck in my head that i can boost up to 200hp and keep it as any everyday driver... i like pushing things to limits other people suggest against....lol lol i told you people i have problems... lol lol

-NEVERSTOP+Oct 16, 2003 - 11:31 AM

ok 5S-FE turbo

I think what most people are referring too is that if you boost a n/a motor that was never made for boost its not going to be as reliable and a car that was stock with the turbo.

who cares about how much power each engine can produce. we all know the the 3s-gte will give you atleast 200hp. thats at stock boost and very reliable. people with MR2'r and All trac's/Gt-Fours have 200K+ miles (some of them) and there engine is as strong as ever. boosting a 5s-fe at that many miles you know and i know...it just wont stand up to the boost.

and like you said...its all preference.

i wouldnt say the money issue because 3s-gte's are getting pretty cheap nowadays. you can get a clip for 1500 and do the wiring for 450. do it yourself and thats all you pay. yea the 5s-fe or 7a-fe turbo kit is LESS upfront and they can be safely boosted, also think about how long you want your engine to live for.

I have read that the 4age can be boosted up to 10 psi on stock internals with no problem is that true?

hahaha this is funny. I am doing the 5sfTe my self but either is a good way to go. You have to just remember you cant just throw it all on your car and call it a day. Any setup takes months of planing and researching before you should even pop the hood. The 3sgte is a beast and that is why it can hold more boost (it was built for it). The 5sfe can also hold boost well. The thing with the 5sfe is there is almost no room for error. You have to spend the money to properly tune the engine or detonation will kill your engine in no time. I think the 3sgte people should take a look at what it takes to turbo the 5sfe to gain some knowladge of the pros and cons. So they know more than "It never works" "The motor will blow". And in turn all of the 5sfte/7afTe people should do the same.
This site doesn't need its members at each others throuts because there is a difference in someones views. We are healping no one this way. If say I knew as much about the 3sgte swap as I do about the 5afTe and NEVERSTOP knew the same about the 5sfTe just think about how much more information we could provide.
1 thing I do believe is that you shouldn't knock it until you have tried it. 5sfeturbo, you have been reading and asking questions but you still have not turbo'ed your car right? Please atleast give NEVERSTOP the benifit of atempting one or the other.

-Bryan-

-NEVERSTOP+Oct 16, 2003 - 10:15 PM