Why MR2 Power FC do not fit exactly in the ST205?? - 6G Celicas Forums

miguelst205

#1

Hi guys..

Looking in the web for the ST205 3SGTE Gen 3 Power FC Plug n' Play i found this product on Berk Technology, for the MR2 3SGTE Gen 3.. http://www.berktechnology.com/shop/product...35&P_ID=480

so.. there says: "Re-wiring required for use on the 94-up Celica ST205 Alltrac".. my question is WHY???.. it's supposed they are same OEM Ecu, engine, etc, right???..

In case it's necessary a re-wiring, what should be changed and how???...

Thanks in advance.. Best regards..

Miguel..

No se sabe de lo que se es capaz hasta que se intenta... ;)

Cuts_the_Pilot

#2

Im running an MR2 Power FC Pro ecu in my 205, no mods needed, straight plug in.

In some cases the ecu/wireing loom is a little bit different in some cars depending on destination. EG. to run a jdm ecu in an adm car you need to swap a couple of pins over, because their output point on the ecu is in a different spot. Not hard if you have the correct wireing diagrams.

As for the gen3 mr2/st205 there was no australian delivered turbo sw20 mr2's, but obviously there was 205's and like i said im using the mr2 pfc pro in mine with no mods. I say go for it.

This post has been edited by Cuts_the_Pilot: Jan 11, 2009 - 9:05 PM

ST205 Group A Rallye GT-Four, #61 of 77............600hp GT3582rGRX133 Toyota Mark X 350s

miguelst205

#3

Ok cuts.. thanks.. but my ST205 is a JDM.. it's the same too??..

Do you have the exactly part number of the POWER FC PRO Version???.. That version have the two step launch control, right???.. It's very hard to find it... right??..

This post has been edited by miguelst205: Jan 13, 2009 - 3:59 PM

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miguelst205

#4

up!!!!!..

No se sabe de lo que se es capaz hasta que se intenta... ;)

jackett

#5

I would say the "re-wiring" would have to do with the chargecooler (if you still have one)
If you fit a Gen3 MR2 Power FC in to your ST205 it won't control your chargecooler. So you would have to fit a front mount intercooler or "bridge" the chargecooler to run constantly. The Power FC will fit without rewiring.

miguelst205

#6

Ok jackett.. thanks for the answer.. but, one more question.. hehe..

If I fit a FMIC nothing more is necessary to do, right???.. only plug it and ok???..

People, do you know some place where I can find the Power FC Pro???.. or then where I can find this Power FC MR2 3SGTE Gen 3 with the Hand commander in a good price???.. I only can buy in a shop, store, ebay or something like these sites... new of preference!!..

No se sabe de lo que se es capaz hasta que se intenta... ;)

Cuts_the_Pilot

#7

hey man, sorry i dont visit this site often.

i got my power fc direct from apexi just before they stopped making them. Yes its the one with launch control and hard and soft limiters (cuts ignition and fuel insted of just fuel like the normal power fc's), they would be hard to find yeah. The part number is 414-T001.

the pfc pro wont run the intercooler pump so there is no need to bridge any sensors or try to fool the ecu that the pump is still there or whatever, so fmic is the only way to go, better anyway, neater, lighter, make more power, little to no loss in drivability or responce...regardless of what anyone says.

Looking on ebay might be your best bet, or yahoo japan.

here is an example how the ecu pinouts can differ, sure its for gen 2, but it shows how it changes with years etc.

ST205 Group A Rallye GT-Four, #61 of 77............600hp GT3582rGRX133 Toyota Mark X 350s

presure2

#8

you can get both the PFC and hand commander for ~800 from mr2oc.com

you have to register to view, (trust me, its worth it) but here is the link.

http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=316571

Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)13.6@108MPH, 5SFTE Powered

jackett

#9

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QUOTE (Cuts_the_Pilot @ Jan 18, 2009 - 6:52 AM)

>the pfc pro wont run the intercooler pump so there is no need to bridge any sensors or try to fool the ecu that the pump is still there or whatever

If you do not have a FMIC and you have a MR-2 genIII Power FC pro or otherwise fitted there is a big need to bridge the chargecooler pump to run constant.

This post has been edited by jackett: Jan 19, 2009 - 6:59 PM

jackett

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QUOTE (miguelst205 @ Jan 16, 2009 - 10:33 PM)

>Ok jackett.. thanks for the answer.. but, one more question.. hehe..

If I fit a FMIC nothing more is necessary to do, right???.. only plug it and ok???..

People, do you know some place where I can find the Power FC Pro???.. or then where I can find this Power FC MR2 3SGTE Gen 3 with the Hand commander in a good price???.. I only can buy in a shop, store, ebay or something like these sites... new of preference!!..

Yep, if you have a FMIC fitted then you can plug in your MR-2 3SGTE genIII Power FC and away you go. You should register on www.gt4oc.net Lots of info primarily on the ST205.

3TST

#11

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>You should register on www.gt4oc.net. Lots of info. primarily on the ST205

...and www.gt4dc.co.uk

On GT4OC someone currently selling an Apexi Power FC and Commander (ST205 specific) £650 +p&p

miguelst205

#12

Ok guys.. thanks for the help.. I'm going to register in both forums and participate...

Last question... do you like the POWER FC or you preffer another EMS???.. if it's plug n' play better.. I'm wait for your recommendations..

No se sabe de lo que se es capaz hasta que se intenta... ;)

jackett

#13

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QUOTE (miguelst205 @ Jan 20, 2009 - 2:45 PM)

>Ok guys.. thanks for the help.. I'm going to register in both forums and participate...

Last question... do you like the POWER FC or you preffer another EMS???.. if it's plug n' play better.. I'm wait for your recommendations..

I'd say pick the EMS your local tuner tunes. I have a power fc on my ST205 and I think it's great. If I had the money I would have gotten a Motec but at the same time for my power goals it would have been overkill. And lastly if you do buy a Power FC you do not need the boost control kit from Apexi to control the boost. The Power FC can control it via the vsv.

miguelst205

#14

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QUOTE (jackett @ Jan 20, 2009 - 1:23 PM)

>I'd say pick the EMS your local tuner tunes. I have a power fc on my ST205 and I think it's great. If I had the money I would have gotten a Motec but at the same time for my power goals it would have been overkill. And lastly if you do buy a Power FC you do not need the boost control kit from Apexi to control the boost. The Power FC can control it via the vsv.

Here the tuners use a FUELTECH.. it's a brazilian EMS, it's medium quality but not complete like another EMS, it's a little difficult to install in the ignition too, but is simply to operate.. but doesn't have a idle controller, Air Conditioner Correction, etc, etc.... I like the MOTEC, the best cars use it, but the price is the problem....

I like the Power FC because it's apparently easy to operate, the installation is quick, use all of the originals sensors and isn't necessary a re-wiring... I have a SBC Blitz i-color as a Boost Controller...

so.. I'm waiting for a Argentina Motec answer... and depending of the price I will decide if I buy the power fc or not...

It's easy to operate and tuning with the Power FC???..

No se sabe de lo que se es capaz hasta que se intenta... ;)

jackett

#15

I got mine tuned by a local mapper but anytime I've needed to slightly correct the map I just gave him a call and he told me what to do via the hand commander. If you bought the datalogit software and had the know how you could do it yourself.

I don't know if you have seen this link before but it is a great resource if you have a Power FC : http://paulr33.skylinesaustralia.com/docs/...powerfc-faq.htm

miguelst205

#16

Yes I see this site.. it's very complete... I think the datalogit it's very important to adquire... so, with the power fc, the commander and the datalogit is the pack to buy.. hehe..

Why do you need to correct the map anytime???.. do you put upgrades or why??..

Thanks for your attention and patience man..

No se sabe de lo que se es capaz hasta que se intenta... ;)

Cuts_the_Pilot

#17

i also bought the datalogit software, make tuning much better and easier.

you need to retune when major modifications are done, for example when i made and installed a custom plenum a retune was needed, when i installed a cold air intake it was not.

you cant buy the datalogit software as a package, they are made by two completly different companies.

as has been said buy the ecu your tuner is most familiar with.

ST205 Group A Rallye GT-Four, #61 of 77............600hp GT3582rGRX133 Toyota Mark X 350s

miguelst205

#18

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QUOTE (Cuts_the_Pilot @ Jan 20, 2009 - 5:24 PM)

>you cant buy the datalogit software as a package, they are made by two completly different companies.

as has been said buy the ecu your tuner is most familiar with.

Ok man, thanks.. I'm gonna think about this.. because everybody advise me to use the ecu with my tuner is most familiar...

thanks for the help guys..

No se sabe de lo que se es capaz hasta que se intenta... ;)

BriinumsBo

#19

im selling my Apexi + commander right now on ebay. if someone wants it, 840$ + shipping. i wouldnt want to sell through ebay as they take 7% commission.
its a gen3 sw20 PFC. it was previously converted by brash boy for ST185 with their own maps and settings, i installed SW20 maps back as I have sw20 gen3 mr2. works great!

This post has been edited by BriinumsBo: Oct 12, 2010 - 5:19 AM

JuMPiiN

#20

Grave digger, check the date.

zeus83

#21

i've just bought an Apexi PFC unit that is designed for SW20 MR2 and would like to use it on my ST205

the commander mentions

3SGTE3
PFC Ver3.2
Commander Ver 8.x

engine starts but dies after a sec or 2....

i've chosen "ETC"-->"All Data Init"-->"yes". also disabled the Boost control kit and the prob persists....any idea why?

This post has been edited by zeus83: May 5, 2012 - 5:10 AM

OOBE

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QUOTE (zeus83 @ May 5, 2012 - 3:10 AM)

>i've just bought an Apexi PFC unit that is designed for SW20 MR2 and would like to use it on my ST205

the commander mentions

3SGTE3
PFC Ver3.2
Commander Ver 8.x

engine starts but dies after a sec or 2....

i've chosen "ETC"-->"All Data Init"-->"yes". also disabled the Boost control kit and the prob persists....any idea why?

The MR2 is wired a bit different than the Celica. I have no experience with an ST205 but my engine came out of a JDM MR2, and that's a totally different car versus the ST205. Don't think that just because they're both 3S-GTE, you can get away with plug-and-play ease. It might work for some people, but not all market cars are wired exactly so it might work for a few members here and not for you. If it shuts down, there is a problem. Check the wiring to make sure that each pin from the ECU harness is going in the right pin location of the PFC harness. The fueling map for an MR2 is going to be different, but I don't think it should prevent your engine from running continuously. Heck, our engines can run with a 4G63 base map...and that engine is WAY different than ours.

Past -7A-FTE: Will never forget youPresent -3rd Gen3S-GTE: Swap in progressQUOTE (SinisterSinner @ Dec 19, 2009 - 10:52 AM)I dont want to even think of turbos, they blow up way too often...

zeus83

#23

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QUOTE (OOBE @ May 5, 2012 - 10:11 AM)

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QUOTE (zeus83 @ May 5, 2012 - 3:10 AM)

>i've just bought an Apexi PFC unit that is designed for SW20 MR2 and would like to use it on my ST205

the commander mentions

3SGTE3
PFC Ver3.2
Commander Ver 8.x

engine starts but dies after a sec or 2....

i've chosen "ETC"-->"All Data Init"-->"yes". also disabled the Boost control kit and the prob persists....any idea why?

The MR2 is wired a bit different than the Celica. I have no experience with an ST205 but my engine came out of a JDM MR2, and that's a totally different car versus the ST205. Don't think that just because they're both 3S-GTE, you can get away with plug-and-play ease. It might work for some people, but not all market cars are wired exactly so it might work for a few members here and not for you. If it shuts down, there is a problem. Check the wiring to make sure that each pin from the ECU harness is going in the right pin location of the PFC harness. The fueling map for an MR2 is going to be different, but I don't think it should prevent your engine from running continuously. Heck, our engines can run with a 4G63 base map...and that engine is WAY different than ours.

was your MR2 engine a 225 or 245 model? 3SGTE Rev2 on the 225 needs an adaptor harness...this PowerFC is showing "3SGTE3" 3 to indicate Rev3...I stand to be corrected

psyxo69

#24

Hello sirs

I am in the look to buy an Apexi Power fc or an hks f con v. I have heard only the best for the power fc but is quite hard to find it for st205. I though found one for sw20 mr2. From what i read above its all about rewiring if you have the stock watercooler. I have my car stock and i only have an hks exhaust, an hks intake system and a boost controller. Now should i get this sw20 power fc or should i wait for a long long time

to find a st205 power fc that is really hard?
Is sw20 mr2 power fc going to work 100% in my st205? its a jdm import btw.Thansk

WALKER

#25

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QUOTE (psyxo69 @ Aug 28, 2012 - 9:53 AM)

>Hello sirs

I am in the look to buy an Apexi Power fc or an hks f con v. I have heard only the best for the power fc but is quite hard to find it for st205. I though found one for sw20 mr2. From what i read above its all about rewiring if you have the stock watercooler. I have my car stock and i only have an hks exhaust, an hks intake system and a boost controller. Now should i get this sw20 power fc or should i wait for a long long time

to find a st205 power fc that is really hard?
Is sw20 mr2 power fc going to work 100% in my st205? its a jdm import btw.Thansk

I just installed a PowerFC for a Gen3 MR2 and it works flawlessly. I am running a FMIC so I chose to have the MR2 one over the Celica. If you wire your chargecooler pump to run all the time then it will work perfect for you as well.

GT4WRC.COM

psyxo69

#26

Got my hands on one sw20 power fc for my celica st205. I will try to install it within the next 2 weeks when ill take the car to the mechanic. Can i run a stock base map or do i need to program it when i install it. I will put a garrett gt35, external wastegate, etc and id like to run it for a while until i gather an amount for the program. What do you think? Btw does the sw20 power fc runs good now?

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