I plan on swapping out my 1.8 engine for a 4th generation 3S-GE beams. I'm a little confused becuase i know there are two types of 4th generation 3s-ge beams engines. Tell me if im wrong but here goes what i have researched. The red top beams engine has 197 hp which was used on mr2, ss II, and ss-III. right? and the only difference between ss-II and ss-III is the super strut. Does red top come with 5 speed tranny. and then theres the black top that was only used on the altezza with 6spd tranny and is rwd correct. They selling a black top beam on ebay for $3,600, with 5 zigen exhaust headers and tranny and a whole bunch of other **** listed. But that wont fit on the celica cuase its meant for the altezza rw200 which is rwd right??

Another thing i plan on getting this swap like 3 years from now so its nothing urgent. but if i buy the red top beams along with tranny what else do i need for my car to run after i put the engine in?? new drivetrain, axles i have no clue.......???

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Sep 12, 2008 - 3:41 AM

that black top has been on ebay for awhile, and i keep wanting to buy it

but no, for conventional answers, a blacktop is out of the question.

Red top will bolt in with a GT motor mount swap and you can use the tranny.
its basically the same as any 3sgte swap...use the search button...but not many/if anyone has done a red top swap.

how come noone does a 2ZZ-GE (1.8 VVTL-i) swaps or can that not fit in a ST?

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Too much work for an engine thats not worth it.....

Oh ok ya i did use the search button u said that before in the forum i posted about how much money people spent on their cars, but i had no clue it was the same as the 3sgte. and by the sound of it, it seems that the red tops beams is a hard engine to find. I also heard of the 2nd and 3rd generation 3sge engines which are pretty good engines as well. i heard jap engines have stricter emission/smog rules that the U.S. but visually it wont pass... are the fumes a different color.

no fumes aren't of different color.

JDM motors dont' have an EGR. Which is an emissions unit which recirculates air and such.

look into a 4age silvertop swap. it bolts right in.

Well i plan on doing the swap like 2 years from now. with 2nd or 3rd gen 3sge. and of course the st is a little more hassle to mess with than the gt. It sux, i live in souther cali what are the chances of passing smog. but ya fage head is another option thanks for the help.