http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080626/ap_on_..._co/scotus_guns

Nice to see

Jeremy it scares me that you no how to use a gun..it really does.

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Let me guess... you think guns kill people?


I am just glad that the supreme court finally said something about our rights to bear arms.



An armed society is a polite society

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Can you prove that? Do you have statistical facts that can support your claim?

im pretty sure that our forefathers ment something along these lines

a gun less society is defenseless against foreign AND domestic threats....

yea... but it doesn't mean that it is a peaceful and polite society.

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Naw, she's just giving me a hard time.

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it's a USA thing - don't get involved. If you think guns are a problem - then abolish them in your country but leave us to our own views.
I also am glad the SC is standing up for what is our right.
Interesting how many Celica owners are armed The entire Houston crew I think.

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Well duh you guys are in texas! lol

I dont need to statistics to prove anything... If you were a crook and you were going to break into some ones house would you break into the house where you knew there wasnt a gun, or the one where you knew they had guns? People rarely have "fire fights" people get murdered because someone brought a knife to a gun fight... but who wont want to have a fire fight, where their chance of living dropped a staggering amount because thier foe had a gun?i hope i explained that ell enough, but i dont think i did ugh... any other republicans want to add to that thought train?

Alot of countries have really really strict gun laws, take ireland, you have to apply for a permit to own a gun, once you get the permit then you can try and buy one, if you can show that you have a reason to own it(and personal protection isnt good enough) then if you actually get one the police can come into your house at anytime and search for it to make sure you still own it and havent sold it illegally... But guess what? people still get murdered over there, they just use other weapons or tools, like a knife or a bomb

With that said i think that the US could make some laws more effecient, and make some new ones to make sure that the wrong people cant get the guns...

just my .02

polite? that's a polite way of saying it, isn't it? you're right though... not my business and I should not be getting involved. All I'm asking is for you guys to prove to me that what you're saying is right. We are entitled to question one's views and opinions in this forum, aren't we?

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Yes you are more than welcome to question me, my views, our government, everything, i readily encourage you to question everything around you actually:) its how you learn and how things can change for the better:)

Sorry i dont have the exact stats you are looking for, but that will be kinda hard to seeing as how theirs isnt a society that requires you to carry a gun:) but if there was... they would have stats im sure:)

Front Sight, is going that direction... right now it is a firearms traing facility, that is undergoing major steps to have a society much like what i talked about...

If you like stats you shuold try reading the book called Freakanomics... it will blow your mind:)

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You don't need a society that requires you to carry a gun to get the proof or stats that I'm asking.. tell me how high is the percentage of gun related crimes in the US than any other 1st world countries in the world? That should suffice it. Talking about breaking houses, do you think that these burglars and thugs don't carry guns as well? And why would you be in a gun fight when there's no need for it?

How many of those crimes are committed with illegal guns?
Got any statistics on that?

Take a look at Florida. 3 years ago it enacted the "castle" law. All the gun control folks screamed about the wild west, gunfights and all the innocent people that were going to get shot.
Never happened.

Washington DC had a ban on handguns for over 30 years [is what sparked this ruling], yet it's CONSISTENTLY been one of the most dangerous cities in the US.

And precisely because those "burglars and thugs" carry guns is why we should [and are] allowed to carry our own, as a deterrent. That's the whole point, which you obviously didn't get. Most criminals pry on the weak. Give that weak victim a gun AND THE TRAINING TO KNOWLEDGEABLY USE IT and it will even out the playing field.
Someone that attempts to commit a crime with a gun is reasonably assumed to have the intent to use it, why shouldn't the victim have the right and ability to fight back if they desire?

Since you're so into statistics, got any on how gun related crime has risen or dropped in areas with gun owner friendly laws? We can start with Florida, I haven't seen anti gun advocates crowing about the sharp rise in deaths they predicted....

I wish we had the ability to stick all the people that complain about gun ownership and the death penalty on an island with all the criminals. We can even give the "good" people guns [if they want them].
It would be interesting to see how they sorted the mess out.
Either they would
Come to their senses and take care of the problem [possible]
Try to placate all the bad guys, because we need to be understanding to those who commit crimes, and end up dead [more possible]
Convince all the bad guys their way of life is wrong through peace and kindness [highly unlikely]

I have absolutely no problem with gun regulations, I don't believe for a minute that anyone should be able to go and get any gun they want anywhere.
I do have a very big problem with other people telling me I can't own a gun because someone else is too dangerous to own one.

Jeunesse:
Because this entire world is completely fcuked up and I'm not gonna be sitting there begging someone to stop when they are raping, torturing or killing my girl, my children or myself. I'm going to be blowing nicely grouped holes in his chest.
Yes the criminals are armed - that's exactly why we should be allowed to be as well. You think a few well meaning gun laws are gonna convince criminals to lay down their arms? No. They're fcuking criminals. By definition they are more than likely going to break that law too. And guess what? Now you've given them the advantage.
Why not call the cops? Because I've been at the scene of a shooting before which involved multiple gunmen and teenage victims [surprisingly innocent for once] where I actually witnessed the police being called and how long would you guess their response time was? 1hour 15mins. How far away was the police station they came from? 10mins. That's long enough for the shooters to kill every single person that was there at the time and get clean away to the other side of town before the cops even got there.
My sister almost died that night - I won't be powerless to protect my family again.

This post has been edited by DEATH: Jun 27, 2008 - 1:51 PM

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ok here you go... http://www.neahin.org/programs/schoolsafet...ics.htm#america

"Give that weak victim a gun AND THE TRAINING TO KNOWLEDGEABLY USE IT and it will even out the playing field. " or totally ban hand gun so nobody carries them even the thugs and burglars.

"It would be interesting to see how they sorted the mess out." Totally agree with you on this one.

"I do have a very big problem with other people telling me I can't own a gun because someone else is too dangerous to own one." Im not saying you can't own a gun just cause some are too irresponsible and don't know how, when and where to use it but it's like you're saying I do have a very big problem with other people telling me I can't drink and drive (though I'm so responsible and 100% guaranteed will not be involved in am accident) because someone else is too dangerous to drink and drive.

Violent crimes don't get solved or prevented using violent weapons. A wrong thing cannot be corrected by another wrong doing.

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How do anti-gun people come upon this thought process - it makes absolutely no sense. They are criminals - they don't give a sh*t about you're anti-gun laws.
You can have your gun-free society - I want no part of it. Read my story from above - it's 100% true and verifiable fact. Now put yourself in my place - if you have the ability to think objectively I think you'll see my point.
Peace man - this is why you live in Canada and we live in the US. Take it easy.

This post has been edited by DEATH: Jun 27, 2008 - 2:16 PM

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Mostly ALL the guns that criminals and burglars carry are illegal so this would do nothing. I'm sorry, but i would rather be able to protect myself and have an even chance agaisnt someone breaking into my house. Laws or no laws, criminals will continue to have guns and attempt to use them, why should the qualified person not be able to defend themselves if a situation comes up?

geeze i wonder what we did before guns were invented...

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whack each others head with a wooden club and drag women on their hair. lol

Death: What do you think would be the best solution for all the gun related violence in your country? I'm asking coz gun related violence here in Canada is rising due to the fact that the guns used in crimes here mostly came from the US. If you're country could come up with a better solution then Canada would be affected.

Edit: going home now from work.. won't be able to come up with a reply until tomorrow morning when I get back to work.

This post has been edited by Jeunesse: Jun 27, 2008 - 2:29 PM

There is no solution. One of these days people are going to realise that violence and crime are human behavior - You won't stop it. I wish I could say there is a better more peaceful solution but I can't. If I were you I would do whatever it takes to legally arm myself [Not sure what that means for you. Legal permits or move away - IDK]
Thanks for having the maturity to discuss this rationally tho. Too often I see anti-gun people get too worked up over the subject.

He was being calm - as were we all. Please don't instigate a problem where there was none.

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its called sarcasm. notice the wink. wow...but back on topic. guns are bad and i believe 2 wrongs never make a right. So you own a gun...ur going to kill somebody who's trying to steal ur car or break into a home?? Do you feel that unsafe that you need to be carrying a gun around?


.u people take these forums WAAY to seriously.

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Yes

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You obviously don't live in Houston Texas. And yes I value human life less than I do my car as well.

Wow, I'm shocked that this thread has become a debate about whether people should own guns or not. We had that thread about Obama vs. McCain vs. Hillary et al, so I think those of you who followed that thread know my own political views and know that all in all, I'm pretty left-wing.

The issue at question here should NOT be a matter of whether or not people should or shouldn't have guns as a matter of moral or ethical values. The debate in the Supreme Court IMO should NEVER have even gotten that far, and should've been a slam-dunk. I was SHOCKED that the ruling was 5-4. The job of the Supreme Court is to uphold the United States Constitution, and it is our 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms. I suppose the framer's intent could be debated, as the wording of the amendment specifically states "a well-regulated militia". For over 200 years that has included individual citizens of the United States. With the exception of committing a felony, that right should NOT be revoked. Period.

I am honestly and truly embarrassed by the level of sheer stupidity and senseless, deceitful and greed-driven crap that our country has attempted to subjugate the world with these last few years. But I still believe wholeheartedly in the Constitution and I'll be damned if some jackass is going to infringe on those inalienable rights.

Well said.
Damn no I find myself speechless

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Can I get an >>AMEN>> Brother?

and x>>2>>

My family's life is worth more than the person's who'd take it; IMO. My Gal makes the world a better place to live, And so does my daughter, Some peice of it comes to satisfy his own greedy little ambitions, Will not live to regret it; should i have a say in the matter. Be at my house, the gas station, the restaurant or w/e.

Infact, I fully support Gun CONTROL. I made my gal go with me to a shooting range, (and various buoys, This is Texas, it's cool. ) To learn how to use the weapon properly. She will have no problem defending our daughter if for whatever reason i cannot.

Yes; I sleep better at night knowing this.

Yes; i feel safer.

Yes; My family has less to fear for.

And anti-gun laws are just going to give the criminals, the molesters, the rapists, the muggers and the murderers the ADVANTAGE. They'll get guns. Think about this, Drugs are illegal, but yet we're spending BILLIONS of dollars trying to get rid of the drugs You think guns will dissappear? no; they wont. And if you get rid of enough of them, they'll comeback in different ways. Bombs, dart-guns, fcuking bows&arrows. Now that's gunna be fcuked up when you get robbed with throwing knifes and chineese stars

The point is that weapons will always exist. Weapons are what made us the great people we are now. The ability to win a fight

This post has been edited by D-Man: Jun 27, 2008 - 4:39 PM

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Yea cuz that's real rational. LOL.

Houston Texas? Try living in Camden, near Newark, going to college near Hartford, then transferring to college near Trenton, NJ and then we'll talk. Camden, Newark, Trenton and Hartford are all listed ahead of Houston as more dangerous cities to live in. Never once have i even thought about getting a gun. I dont live in Houston and i probably would have no problem living in Houston....Houston doesnt even break the top 25 most dangerous cities to live in (i'd actually feel more safe living in Houston in comparison to where ive been). Give me a break...ive lived near and in more dangerous cities than that. So you kill somebody thats trying to break into your house...you get life in prison...good job...but hey. At least you'll be safe in prison right?

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You madam are awesome.

Now, this is very simple. Guns do not kill people, bullets when shot out of that gun kill people, and bullets (normally) dont go off until the trigger is pulled, by (again, normally) a finger that is attached to a human hand. Thus, People kill people. IF not with a gun, then with a knife,bat,hammer,poison,rope,broken bottle,chainsaw, screw driver, bricks.......do i need to go on? It doesnt matter what you do with guns, people will kill people other ways. Atleast with guns the battle is even. and even if there are laws banning guns or making it harder to get them, well drugs are illegal arent they?

There is no solution, but being a good judge of what needs to be done. If i caught a person taking my car, i would not shot him, its a car, i love it, but its not worth a persons life. Now if you in my house, then your to close for comfort and your dead when you turn around. because im not going to give you the chance to think about hurting someone in that house. If you pull a knife on me, you intend to hurt me in a very bad way and maybe kill me, your dead. you want to get into a fist fight with me. we throw down, if i lose, i lose. i dont kill for out of pride. And with that is your solution.

People Have To Think.

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I agree with most of what you said...but i gotta ask you. If you can use all those things as weapons, why do you need to have full possession of a gun? People kill people like you said so whats the purpose of having a gun when in fact people are the only lethal weapons walking the streets. This is according to you.

Its amazing to see so many internet toughies in one place. But you actually were reasonable and rational unlike "death."