goferris

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hey all, i was looking online at some 3sgte clips and noticed how much cheaper the mr2t clips are then the gt4 clips that and i wouldn't have to get the tranny separate.
i know that there are some things diff between the gt4 3sgte and the mr2 3sgte. my Q is how much will have to be changed to drop it in my car? i have the gt so (from what i understand) i won't need to change the motor mounts. but other than the normal 3sgte swap stuff what extra will be needed to put the mr2 motor in?
if there is a thread about this already and someone know where it is please point me in the right direction.
thanks guys

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Supersprynt

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You will need ST205 motor mounts if you decide to go with the MR2 transmission (E153). You will also need custom axles (Camry/ST185 outters, MR2 inners).

Or you can just use your S54 transmission on the stock mounts and stock axles.

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goferris

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You will need ST205 motor mounts if you decide to go with the MR2 transmission (E153). You will also need custom axles (Camry/ST185 outters, MR2 inners).

Or you can just use your S54 transmission on the stock mounts and stock axles.

even though i have the s series motor i will still need new motor mounts? i was always under the impression that they are the same
am i going to need new mounts for the tranny? i already knew about the custom axles. and don't i need to move some stuff on the engine itself. do i have to move the alternator or ac or something?

Edit: 0k i see what you were saying about the mounts. they would be for the tranny. could i use the mounts from the mr2?

This post has been edited by goferris: Jun 26, 2007 - 8:42 PM

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Culpable04

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you'll need mounts to support the tranny, most of your mounts can be use, and that's in the case you decide to go with the MR2 tranny, if you keep your GT tranny there is no need for ST205 rear mount

goferris

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so other than the rear st205 mount for the tranny there is no diff? it is pretty much the same motor? nothing else has to be relocated?
why was i under that impression. oh well.
thanks for the help guys

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Supersprynt

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E153=ST205 mounts.
S54=ST204 mounts.

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lagos

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so other than the rear st205 mount for the tranny there is no diff? it is pretty much the same motor? nothing else has to be relocated?
why was i under that impression. oh well.
thanks for the help guys

you were under the right impression. its basically the same motor, but there are a lot of little things that are totally different. for starters the wiring harness runs differently, the alternator, powersteering, ac, dip stick tube, etc....etc.. etc... all those little things have to be changed over. i wouldnt recommend and mr2 clip for your first swap.

search for "mr2 clip" . we had a few topics about this in the past.

This post has been edited by lagos: Jun 26, 2007 - 10:43 PM

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goferris

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so it sounds like even though it sounds cheaper it really isn't? or just a pia? what looked so enticing to me was that i could get both motor and tranny that would work great for a good price. ok, i will def take that into consideration.
i am so undecided on what to do. i can't decide on going turbo or na.
ARGH!!!!!

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Supersprynt

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Its more work to do the E153 swap. If time is money it won't be cheaper.

If you get an ST185 clip and use your S54 transmission it will be cheaper. You dont NEED to change your transmission.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Jun 27, 2007 - 10:25 AM

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lagos

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what he said.... get an st185 clip and use your gt trans. easy and least expensive way to go.

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Fast or Slow. pick one.

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goferris

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what he said.... get an st185 clip and use your gt trans. easy and least expensive way to go.

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>i can't decide on going turbo or na.

Fast or Slow. pick one.

if i stay na i want to go beams so in that case it would be fast or faster

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>Its more work to do the E153 swap. If time is money it won't be cheaper.

If you get an ST185 clip and use your S54 transmission it will be cheaper. You dont NEED to change your transmission.

i know i don't NEED to but if i am spending all that money to get a new motor i would want to get more of the hp to the road. i figure while i am already doing a bunch of work there already might as well get the extra power. personally i think that the tranny just plain sucks in the gt. i know the motor can put out more power but the gearing sucks. new tranny is a must for me!

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lagos

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the shorter gearing in the gt will make for a faster car then the longer gearing in the 153.

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Supersprynt

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The GT tranny runs out of go on the top end, its very noticable, at least for me it was.

With the E153, you can spread it out over a longer period of time. So while the S54 has the shorter gears, you go through them faster, and run out of steam quicker. I very much like the E153 more in that respect.

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6gsillyca

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I honestly did not notice much of a difference between the s54 and the e153 trannys. Then again my s54 was with a 5sfe and my e153 is linked to a 3's so obviously the top end power is different, and maybe that is why I do not notice the difference in transmissions as much. I would agree that the s54 is shorter geared, and you do burn through gears quicker, but it also increases your acceleration. I thought it was a good combo for a stock gt (short tranny gears w/ low end tq)

phattyduck

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I honestly did not notice much of a difference between the s54 and the e153 trannys.

I'm sure a lot of it also depends on the final drive on the transmission. An MR2 E153 will have very similar gearing to the Celica GT tranny, a Camry E153 (or FWD converted GT4 transmission) will be more 'lazy'.

I really enjoy my E153 - though I'd still rather have lower gearing... I'd rather cruise at 75mph on the freeway at 3krpm instead of 3.5krpm. Heck, I was at 3krpm at 80mph with my original S51 manual transmission.

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evfinchy

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Will the stock GT transmission handle the power of the 3sgte? It would really suck to go through all that work and then have the tranny blow out and have to go through all the hassle of pulling it out again. . . I know i have read that people have had their GT tranny mated to the 3sgte for a few years with no problems. Whats the consensus though?

This post has been edited by evfinchy: Jul 18, 2007 - 4:18 AM