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Topic #46096 56 posts Started by HARDTARGET
toyotacrazy
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> just a quick question...why a 5s block ?
stronger than any 3s gen 1 or 2, haven't done a 3rd gen yet.

How do you figure a 5s block is stronger than a 3s block. Ive seen dozens of 5s-fe throw a rod for no reason, on a well maintained car, being driven normally, with plenty of oil. Just curious. Not trying to criticize you.
HARDTARGET
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> just a quick question...why a 5s block ?
stronger than any 3s gen 1 or 2, haven't done a 3rd gen yet.

How do you figure a 5s block is stronger than a 3s block. Ive seen dozens of 5s-fe throw a rod for no reason, on a well maintained car, being driven normally, with plenty of oil. Just curious. Not trying to criticize you.
the oiling system on factory 5s sucks your right, when i take a 3s and a 5s block and put over 40 lb of boost and run it down the 1/4 mile and crack the 3s block almost every time and "NEVER CRACK" the 5s block, that's why the 5s block is stronger for me and other reason.
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toyotacrazy
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> just a quick question...why a 5s block ?
stronger than any 3s gen 1 or 2, haven't done a 3rd gen yet.

How do you figure a 5s block is stronger than a 3s block. Ive seen dozens of 5s-fe throw a rod for no reason, on a well maintained car, being driven normally, with plenty of oil. Just curious. Not trying to criticize you.
the oiling system on factory 5s sucks your right, when i take a 3s and a 5s block and put over 40 lb of boost and run it down the 1/4 mile and crack the 3s block almost every time and "NEVER CRACK" the 5s block, that's why the 5s block is stronger for me and other reason.

Where does it crack?
playr158
#34
doesn't the 5sfe have thicker walls then a 3sgte newayz?

5s blocks are often used for stoker motors as well
presure2
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> just a quick question...why a 5s block ?
stronger than any 3s gen 1 or 2, haven't done a 3rd gen yet.

How do you figure a 5s block is stronger than a 3s block. Ive seen dozens of 5s-fe throw a rod for no reason, on a well maintained car, being driven normally, with plenty of oil. Just curious. Not trying to criticize you.

that would be because the 5s, and the 7a for that matter are known for having weak rod bolts.throwing a rod thru the block says nothing about the blocks intergrity.
a little research on mr2oc will net quite a few reasons people use the 5s block, besides the .2 liters that you gain with it.

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QUOTE(Batman722 @ Mar 9, 2007 - 11:47 PM) [snapback]534882[/snapback]
> just a quick question...why a 5s block ?
stronger than any 3s gen 1 or 2, haven't done a 3rd gen yet.

How do you figure a 5s block is stronger than a 3s block. Ive seen dozens of 5s-fe throw a rod for no reason, on a well maintained car, being driven normally, with plenty of oil. Just curious. Not trying to criticize you.
the oiling system on factory 5s sucks your right, when i take a 3s and a 5s block and put over 40 lb of boost and run it down the 1/4 mile and crack the 3s block almost every time and "NEVER CRACK" the 5s block, that's why the 5s block is stronger for me and other reason.

Where does it crack?

they tend to crack between the bores.
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x_itchy_b_x
#36
between 2 and 3 because of the internal coolant passage.
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toyotacrazy
#37
This thread is very interesting. I believe the rod studs pull out of the rod. From what Ive seen anyways.
HARDTARGET
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QUOTE(Batman722 @ Mar 9, 2007 - 11:47 PM) [snapback]534882[/snapback]
> just a quick question...why a 5s block ?
stronger than any 3s gen 1 or 2, haven't done a 3rd gen yet.

How do you figure a 5s block is stronger than a 3s block. Ive seen dozens of 5s-fe throw a rod for no reason, on a well maintained car, being driven normally, with plenty of oil. Just curious. Not trying to criticize you.
the oiling system on factory 5s sucks your right, when i take a 3s and a 5s block and put over 40 lb of boost and run it down the 1/4 mile and crack the 3s block almost every time and "NEVER CRACK" the 5s block, that's why the 5s block is stronger for me and other reason.

Where does it crack?
they tend to pull the head stud closest to the water pump right off and so do the older 5s blocks also.
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HARDTARGET
#40
Well guys it's been a while, but it's time to get this car done, finally got some spare time to work on the car, I'll get some updated pics but not much diff from before just got the intake manifold almost done.
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Defgeph
#41
glad to see this going again ? what trans are you going to be running in the fwd setup ?
I will return one day.
lagos
#42
More pics and vids would be great....
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HARDTARGET
#43
I still have my old tranny set up when i had my old red celica FWD, it's actually a mixed tranny with 3sge parts and mr2 turbo gear set so i could use the big axle setup,I ran 9.50's with this set up and NEVER broke an axle.
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Defgeph
#44
can you give me some more information about this set up. I have a 95 3sge trans. I eventually want to change transmissions. I'm thinking of going e153lsd. But im curious about your mash up.

Thanks
I will return one day.
HARDTARGET
#45
Let me dig deep into my brain, me and my dad put this tranny together 9 years ago, i'll double check with him to see if my memory is correct.
2007 Scion TC 1/4 Mile ET 7.06 @ 195 3/4 chassis! Motor SOLD: 3SGTE1980 Toyota Corolla 1/4 Mile ET 7.92 @ 175 Full Street Legal! Motor: 3SGTE1983 Toyota Corolla 1/4 Mile ET 7.42 @ 187 10.5 Tire Street Legal: 3SGTE1998 Toyota Celica RWD 1/4 Mile ET 7.82 @ 175 SOLD! Motor: 3SGTE1994 Toyota Celica FWD IN THE WORKS2000 Toyota Celica GTS 1/4 Mile ET 13.50 @ 109 DAILY DRIVERhttps://www.facebook.com/htrracingWWW.HARDTARGETRACING.COM
lagos
#46
Who is involved in building these cars? Does your family own a shop?

This post has been edited by lagos: Jan 23, 2009 - 8:57 PM
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HARDTARGET
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>Who is involved in building these cars? Does your family own a shop?


All the engine work is done by me and my dad,tunning is all me, chasiss work is all done by JC race cars in West Palm Beach,FL.
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lagos
#48
You are a man of few words and details..lol
How much money goes into building a 7sec car? That TC you got looks like is done right, and had a lot of money put into it.
How about some detailed pictures of the build up of these cars?

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HARDTARGET
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>You are a man of few words and details..lol
How much money goes into building a 7sec car? That TC you got looks like is done right, and had a lot of money put into it.
How about some detailed pictures of the build up of these cars?

lol..
In drag racing it all comes down to "how much $ you wanna spend determines how fast you wanna go".
building a 7 sec car all depends on how u wanna build it.
i'll post some pics.
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HARDTARGET
#50


1980 Toyota Corolla with a 5sfe block with 3gen head

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Akimbo
#51
crikey. maybe ill come down to WPB and you can give me a 3s swap
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95st-celica
#52
wow..thats awesome man...good luck with this build
what size turbo is that?
and what kind of standalone are you using to run that?
did you have a 2 step for your FWD red one or any other goodies?
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CelicaST_CALI
#53
that wastegate is huge .....0.0.....
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x_itchy_b_x
#54
no intercooler? looks good though.
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Defgeph
#55
Looks really nice, I love rwd corollas.
I will return one day.
HARDTARGET
#56
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>wow..thats awesome man...good luck with this build
what size turbo is that?
and what kind of standalone are you using to run that?
did you have a 2 step for your FWD red one or any other goodies?



The turbo is a t76 with t4 flange.
on this car just switch from an microtech to EMS from Australia, loved the way it worked on my TC so swap over.
No two step when it was FWD but it was on methanol.

This post has been edited by HARDTARGET: Jan 24, 2009 - 12:12 PM
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