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I really don't know why, cause I didn't intend to offend anyone.
I can't really understand how is it possible to take it in this way.



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It was never meant to be a rich VS poor people issue.
I perfectly know that ST205 was never sold in USA.


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It's illegal everywhere in the world.... except in the Man's isle .... but in reality it happens many time... and without any catastrophic effects...
I think no one ever die for a 0/60 mph acceleration.
Moreover there are not only the road races... but more often track sessions...



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THIS is not true... and this is my point in this "stupid" thread...

In 1992, when I was 22, I bought an ST185RC...
this car was a superb car, compared to the other cars...
it was winning very often in WRC and local national races...

but in 1994 Toyota made the new ST205, a real bomb...
lighter, more powerful, new brakes in comparison to the ST185...
and really superior to the supercars of those years...
Delta Integrale, Sierra CSW, Nissan Sunny GTR...
when it was released it was REALLY a dream car...
even for the price... around 55.000 US$ in 1995 !

The fact is that, here in Italy, but I think in all the world, younger people... 18 to 25 years old... don't really know what the GT-four was in reality, cause they didn't live those years...

So... can I say that I feel sad when a Peugeot 206 RC (180hp) overtakes an ST202 in the Varano's track straight, and then he thinks he passed a GT-four 'cause it was written on the block raisers ?

That's all.




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Free to think what you want, people who doesn't know this old car will read "GT-four" and will think it was a GT-four... I suppose...


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Sure not !
Mine was an hope for the future generations... the future gt-four lookers




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Do you read any criticism against poseur or americans in my posts ?
I never talked about poseur and americans, so don't try to change my words...
btw you are free to misunderstand, and probably it's what happened...


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If you tell me, I then believe you.. even if this is not what I pointed out...
Again, I know that you didn't ever received one ST205 in your market...


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Thank you.

I understood your point of view, mate, and I respect it too... fortunately WE still live in a "quite" free world...

I only hope these more words from me helped to understand what I simply was trying to say... regardless my english...

Bye...

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Remy,

clearly it's a very personal issue...

even if no one would know the difference, I would !

So, if I liked a GT-four hood/bumper/spoiler, I would install them.... but I would NEVER ad the"GT-four" badge...cause it is not a GT-four !!!

Very very simple !

BTW it's only my idea, and please do not offend for it !

Honestly, a person who knows cars knows a gt-four and they know that they aren't easy to pass.

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That's EXACTLY the reason why there's this thread. Slow ass Civics put the badge on their car, and think they instantly has +250HP or something. They'll rev at you, screech tires and all those crap, at the end it's just a slow ass car.

Though, the REAL Civic Type-R is a fine piece of machine.

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So... If y'all ST/GT owners had a make-over for your car to look like a GT-Four without a swap..... don't race it, just let other people stare at it.... Don't pretend your car is fast, but keep in mind your car is ****ing beautiful you know.

This post has been edited by tomazws: Jan 4, 2007 - 6:25 PM

Badge or not, if a car looks like a GTFOUR, then people will think it's a GTFOUR. If they even know what a GTFOUR IS that is. Even if people removed the badge, on the street most people wont even get a good enough look at it too see that the raiser blocks don't actually say GTFOUR on them. Most people aren't going to be like, "Hey look! there's a GTFOUR! It's got the hood! The bumper! and the spoiler! aw, but wait, the GTFOUR badge is shaved, it must not be a GTFOUR anymore." Thats just not the way people think. I think the biggest giveaway that it's not a real GTFOUR would have to be that we don't get those here, as you know. Not the badgeing. I think people that know what a GTFOUR really is, can tell if it's real or not, even if they have GTFOUR written all over the car haha.

I should probably go remove that USMC sticker off my car before somebody starts spreading rumors that they beat the USMC, and they get a bad name haha j/k

But yeah, if it was an extra option to put GTFOUR on the post, then it would be messed up to put the badge on if you didn't have a real GTFOUR. But eh, if it comes with it, just leave it i say. As long as you don't pretend that you really have a GTFOUR, i don't see a problem with that . Ok, I admit it, sometimes i imagine that I really have a GTFOUR though haha, too bad it's just an Alltrac . (that runs like poop btw)

THREAD=POINTLESS. If i woulda had my 3s in before my exterior i woulda got GT-four blocks instead of the shaved ones. Bust its everyons opinion. People can do what they want to do with any kind of badges.

PS. Most people in the US don't even know what a GT-4 celica is. When i tell my friends what kind of motor i'm swapping in my car they have no clue what it is and what car it comes from.

This post has been edited by celiracer: Jan 4, 2007 - 8:34 PM

I have seen a gt4 on here with limited edition emblems.
Turn about is fair play.
I am doing the conversion and my car will be slow as hell
for a while. Am I a poser? Damn right I am.

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Maybe you should just stop caring so much about what other people think about you or the car you drive?

I personally wouldn't put a badge on my car saying gt-4, but if the spoiler raisers came with the lettering on it already, I sure as hell wouldn't wouldn't go out of my way to take it off, just to "protect the famous name of the gt4"

edit, nvm.

This post has been edited by snapshotgt: Jan 4, 2007 - 9:32 PM

It's alright.... most american's will say that its a supra/eclipse/integra on steroids... before a GT-4 haha.

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LOL "GT-Two" smashing idea for the 3SGTE swaps.... really! GT2 will work/look better IMHO
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I agree with WOLF.

I admit I got a "GT" emblem from the junk yard and I was about to put it on my car ....
But it hit me I may have basically all the misc GT+ options, except the engine... BUT thats just it! it will not be a GT it is an ST. So I decided not to. Yes I know ST posing as an GT is different from a ST/GT posing as a GT4, simply because of the GT4 rep... but still, Im trying to relate.

This post has been edited by UTSlickVic: Jan 5, 2007 - 1:11 AM

If you badge your car with GT-4 riser blocks your car should look like a gt-4 (the exterior conversion), and have the 3s-gte motor to back it up, but not everyone here can shell out the money to do both so for the ones that want to spend 2g's and make the exterior look exactly like one then go ahead, and for the ones that do their cars exterior and engine then more props to you. The people that go back to their forums and tell everyone they beat a gt-4 are dumb***** in the first place thinking they are hot sh**. They try and tell everyone how awsome their car is and who they beat to make themselves feel better about what they own. In all honesty our celicas can't be riced up when they are made to look like our more powerful gt-4's, ricers are rusted out crap boxes with aluminum airplane wings with a fart cannon. *cough* (hondas in VT) We do with what we got over here in the US and Europe is blessed with the gt-4's so if you have a celica made to look like a gt-4 or made as fast as one then props bc no one around here knows the difference and if they do they will ask you about it and then you can tell them but for the guys that already have the badges on then I'm glad you took the time and money to invest in your car and make it look even better.

Ricers... I can't call in any other way guys, who leave GT-4 stick or GT stick on ST/GT. Sorry I really don't want to offend somebody.

Really, as somebody said, there are not so many people who know a lot about Celicas. Maybe just 1 from 10 car professionals. But there a lot guys, who put GT sticks on 1,6 VW Golfs with rear drum brakes... Or there was one guy in Lithuania, who put away his VW Touareg stick and named as Golf. It's a pitty, that I can't find a picture at the moment. Really funny

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Here's why...

People spend a LOT of time and effort on their cars. There's a certain amount of pride we take in that. Who the hell are you to judge? Fair?

Anyway... people can do whatever the hell they want really. I've seen worse. Anyone who disagrees with that... just completely missed the purpose of building/tuning a car.

This thread makes me lol.

if buddy thinks he raced a real GT-Four, and beat it badly, then he's making himself look like a dink. 'nuff said.

Tell him to race a REAL GT-Four, and not a look-a-like (Which to me is fine).

i find this thread ridiculously stupid. i mean it's the people's decision. we dont have gt-fours here and the looks are just plain awesome..but who cares if someone puts gt-four raiser blocks on?..no one, it's his/her decision right? it's how they like it. if you have a real gt-four, then good for you (yes we're jealous). but comon' what about those wannabe type r's out there?...those wanna be honda integra or whatever...yeah we're fwd but who cares..its a celica. i mean respect people. no one knew about the gt-fours across the ocean? no one knew. i remember when i had my gt-four raiser blocks on...a guy came and asked me why the heck do i have a "gt-four" on my spoiler and i said "i like the resemblence of the celica across the ocean. the gt-four celica. it's turbo with awd system"...i remember the kid was amazed...he didn't know there was a celica turbo across (he now drives a celica!) yeah people may think it's stupid but hey, TRUE that they dont know much about our cars. it's special so just leave it to the people and what they wanna do with it. GL

To be honest, GT4 owners should be honoured that you own a car that other people aspire to, and spend their hard earned cash trying to emulate. So what if its slightly slower, there are many non GT4`s here that look as good as if not better than a normal GT4 and quite a few that will probably go faster....would you make them take the GT4 badges off "Because GT4`s arnt that fast"?????

>>It's a GT-Four!>>

"Man I totally pwned this kid in an AWD GT-Four today. He was like...FOUR HUNDRED bicycle lengths behind me! What a sucka! All Gt-Fours are slow!"

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>>LOOK! ANOTHER GT-FOUR!>>

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^^^This same guy had a 3 posts snow spoiler, and actually drove its car with it.

Get to work!!

Wow.....all this hate......

Man! I'm glad i'm having my raiser blocks that i got from Romas bondo'd to cover up the GT-Four! I would hate to misrepresent!

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Workin from home today

I know i'm new and never posted but I bought my car knowin nothing
about 6g celicas.
so when i bought i it had a GT sticker on it but i later found out it
was a 2door ST.
so by y'alls claims i should scrap off that sticker because i own a
ST not a GT.

lol 99% of people in the US don't know what a GT-Four is and usually when they think celica they think 7th gen.

sorry i'm keepin mine