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Topic #42965 43 posts Started by allblackalltrac
3rd Gen 3SGE from a 96' Celica SS-II
super clean, less than 50K
included: torque plate or flywheel(your choice), cut wiring harness, MAP, ignitor, ECU, alternator of your choice(Celica or MR2)
pick-up only

no longer for sale, Im going back to N/A so Im using this for my own application

This post has been edited by allblackalltrac: Jun 5, 2007 - 10:07 AM
can u put a pic of the whole motor...plz

IT DON'T PLAY!
I am getting a header I won off ebay, the torque plate is on route and I also have found the ecu for it so it is a complete motor, now.

I'll take a pic of the engine after I install the new cam seals and timing belt.

Not that there was anything wrong with the old ones, I swaped the intake cam cause it was originally a manual equipped engine.


Gen3 3SGE A/T (170ps):
In: 240deg, 8.7mm lift (timing 7/53)
Ex: 240deg, 8.2mm lift (timing 53/7)

Gen3 3SGE M/T (180ps):
In: 252deg, 9.8mm lift (timing 7/65)
Ex: 240deg, 8.2mm lift (timing 53/7)

Gen3 3SGTE (245ps):
In: 240deg, 8.7mm lift (timing 7/53)
Ex: 236deg, 8.2mm lift (timing 50/6)


I have a 3G 3SGTE head and wanted the longer duration, higher lift cam from the N/A motor hence the swap and the reason for me listing it as a AUTO engine and not a manual - I did not swap the exhaust cam.
The engine was missing the header, flywheel and ecu when I purchased it, its only by chance that I was able to find the missing parts.

A good friend is interested in it at this point and wants me to put it in his wifes 6G Celica GT A/T, so she gets precidence for now until she changes her mind. My neighbour is also interested in it for his 6G Celica GTS A/T as well. Local's take precidance as its less headache for me to have to deal with shipping it.

This post has been edited by allblackalltrac: Jan 12, 2007 - 12:07 AM
Got the MAP sensor and ignitor needed to complete the swap and make the engine run correctly with the ecu, as complete as your going to find unless you buy a clip.
I got the cam seals in and the timing belt on, engine is now fully assembled, the flexplate you see on the floor behind the motor is the one for this engine, the heat shield you see to the right of it is not for this engine and is the only thing missing from the motor.
the wire harness is cut ?

my st205 swapandour Beams swap
I can wire this up for anyone who's thinking of buying it.

-Doc

-Dr Tweak, 6GC's resident engine swap wiring expert extraordinaireClick here to see my swapsdrtweak@phoenixtuning.com
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the wire harness is cut ?


yes - where it passes through the firewall
MAP sensor part#: 89420-20300
Ignitor part#: 89621-26010
ECU part#: 89661-2D500
coil part#: 029700-7700

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This post has been edited by allblackalltrac: Jan 12, 2007 - 12:25 AM
is there anyway to convert this back to manual
Yeah, I would be on this if it had the original JDM manual tranny on it.
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is there anyway to convert this back to manual


Yes,
- remove the torque plate and bolt on a flywheel
- use a manual ecu


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Yeah, I would be on this if it had the original JDM manual tranny on it.



sold it seperatly a long time ago, your stock tranny will still bolt up
damn!
local too!
I'd be all over this if I had the money right now
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sold it seperatly a long time ago, your stock tranny will still bolt up


Yeah, but I want the JDM gear ratios. Plus, my car is an ST.
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sold it seperatly a long time ago, your stock tranny will still bolt up


Yeah, but I want the JDM gear ratios. Plus, my car is an ST.


Well if your car originally comes equipped with the 7A-FE than that tranny will not bolt up to this motor nor will this motor bolt into your engine bay without welding in s-series motor and tranny mount brackets.
JDM gear ratios are over rated, I had them - didnt like them.
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Well if your car originally comes equipped with the 7A-FE than that tranny will not bolt up to this motor nor will this motor bolt into your engine bay without welding in s-series motor and tranny mount brackets.

Exactly my point. So it would help alot if you did had the tranny. Unless the good DrTweak has a 3SGTE (MR2) or 5SFE tranny laying around. I guess there isn't much I can do. Good luck with the sale though. Bump.
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Well if your car originally comes equipped with the 7A-FE than that tranny will not bolt up to this motor nor will this motor bolt into your engine bay without welding in s-series motor and tranny mount brackets.

Exactly my point. So it would help alot if you did had the tranny. Unless the good DrTweak has a 3SGTE (MR2) or 5SFE tranny laying around. I guess there isn't much I can do. Good luck with the sale though. Bump.


I don't have one one hand, but GT trannys aren't too hard to find. Also, a manual ECU technically isn't needed, the auto will work fine, though it might have a lower rev limit.

I'd buy this whole setup if I had the money to put into my Celica. In fact... what would shipping be to Savannah, GA?

-Doc

-Dr Tweak, 6GC's resident engine swap wiring expert extraordinaireClick here to see my swapsdrtweak@phoenixtuning.com
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Well if your car originally comes equipped with the 7A-FE than that tranny will not bolt up to this motor nor will this motor bolt into your engine bay without welding in s-series motor and tranny mount brackets.

Exactly my point. So it would help alot if you did had the tranny. Unless the good DrTweak has a 3SGTE (MR2) or 5SFE tranny laying around. I guess there isn't much I can do. Good luck with the sale though. Bump.


I don't have one one hand, but GT trannys aren't too hard to find. Also, a manual ECU technically isn't needed, the auto will work fine, though it might have a lower rev limit.

I'd buy this whole setup if I had the money to put into my Celica. In fact... what would shipping be to Savannah, GA?

-Doc

So I would need the 5S-FE Tranny to complete the swap?

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Any 5-speed tranny that came attached to an s-series motor ie. 5sfe, 3sfe, 3sge even a 3sgte can be converter to FWD. Also any manual tranny that came from the MR2 or Camry.
Ok, they decided they wanted me to rebuild there old motor instead so this motor is for sale once again.
Motors no longer for sale - temporaily on hold until I decide what Im going to do about my car. The motor in my car just took a dump and I need to decide what Im going to do about it. So I may end up using this one to replace it. So until my car is sorted out all engines I have or had for sale are no longer available until further notice.
I dont want to hijack this tread but im auto and im canadian. I wanted to swap a 3sgte and do a manual conversion but now im not sure at all because of all the headaches for the tranny swap....

do you guys think that engine would be a good investment (performance/money wise) and also what other parts would I need to install this into my car (im already auto btw)

this is if you finally decide to sell the engine wink.gif

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I dont want to hijack this tread but im auto and im canadian. I wanted to swap a 3sgte and do a manual conversion but now im not sure at all because of all the headaches for the tranny swap....

do you guys think that engine would be a good investment (performance/money wise) and also what other parts would I need to install this into my car (im already auto btw)

this is if you finally decide to sell the engine wink.gif


Turned out my motor just sprung a leak from a busted oil feed line...easy repair, got it back on the road after a days work.

Engines back up for sale, send me a PM or reply here with any questions

I got a shipping company that will ship anywhere in north america, US residents depending on where you live expect to pay $350-$500, Canadian residents significantly less.

shipping costs to 90504
Ok I've recieved several PM's asking what would be needed to complete the conversion if someone purchased this motor....

The short answer - NOTHING, as far as parts are concerned I have everything that you would need to start the motor. No need to source any missing parts, most peripherials you use from your exisiting engine, you dont need to upgrade your fuel or exhaust for this motor to work in your car.

Now as far as labour is concerned all depends on your mechanical and electrical capabilites. Physically the motor bolts right into frame rails so long as the engine prior to the swap is of s-series designation - if you have to ask what designation your engine is you obviously need alot more homewrok or are knowwhere capable of doing this on your own.

The two single most difficult aspects of this swap would be having your existing collector modified to work with the header and splicing and extending the wiring harness. Both of those can be easily sourced out - any compatant exhaust shop can modify your existing collector to mate to the header and Dr.Tweak can modify the harness so that it'll plug and play into your application.

This swap will cost a 1/4 to 1/3 of what going FI would cost you in the end, trust me I know.

This post has been edited by allblackalltrac: Mar 14, 2007 - 4:35 PM
like i asked before how much shipped to 90504. very interested
shipping is going to cost to much and not worth my trouble, local pick-up only.
motor still for sale???