I know allll about the differences in the two in terms of power, but which engine is overall more reliable? Which has more avaliable mods, cheaper mods, and responds better to mods?
I mean, if I bought an ST with the 7A-FE or a GT with the 5S-FE, and spent $600 in performance, which would end up being the faster motor?
Thanks.
i would think the 5sfe...i would think that the faster stock motor will always be the faster car if the same amt of money is put into it...but i could be wrong.
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i have a 96 ST coupe and a in the process of buying a 97 GT hatchbak >
> the GT standard is so much faster than the ST auto. so i would imagine you would want to build on an already faster motor.
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If I could do it all over again (I will if I can find a 96+ GT(S) 5Spd in Silver w/Black Leather interior), I would go to Canada and buy me a GT-S for the sake of having a GT-S.
on par, the GT will always out perform the ST.
1) The GT have a greater engine displacement
2) That implies more HP and most of all Torque
I do not know if the gearing is the same or there both uses the same tranny
But the GT maybe heavier that the ST but make this up for HP
The GT would be the better model to get due to other like cosmetic and other few changes.
eg, the GT have rear disc brakes, maybe bigger brakes and maybe all manual trans.'
The GT and ST member would be able to go into the nitty gritty of the two cars
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dont even think about getting an st. end of discussion.
you can insure them cheaper... that's teh only high point.
With 600 bucks, I wouldn't expect anything great out of any motor.
the gt has an "s" series motor so if and when you get the 3s-gte then it will be less expensive to swap that in.
2.2L will always respond better to mods than a 1.8L
7g engine is diff. from 6g.
6g st = 135 or so.
even so brother, the 7g are slow and discussing.
a 4age 20v black top 1600cc make 165HP and in mod form, 180+hp very comfortable.
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If thats not a kick in the nuts, i dont kno what is.
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--west_minist+May 8, 2003 - 3:34 PM| QUOTE (west_minist @ May 8, 2003 - 3:34 PM) | 7g engine is diff. from 6g.
6g st = 135 or so.
even so brother, the 7g are slow and discussing.
a 4age 20v black top 1600cc make 165HP and in mod form, 180+hp very comfortable. |
6g ST = 115 hp
6g GT = 135 hp
both are slow, take your pick
also 4AGE 20v might be rated at 165 but it doesn't make that. I know you have a car with the engine yadda yadda, but its been shown over and over that Toyota Japan overrated the engine by a good 15 - 20 hp. |
165hp at the fylywheel
It is correct.
Either way, in stock trim, the car is slightly dead until the mods starts.
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As for the 4age- The silvertop is worthless. It's just marginally faster ina n ST than a stock GT. The blakc top is an evil machine though.
The 4agze is also a different story. From what I've read on different pages, It has about as much potential as does the 3s. It's only problem is low displacement.
........and the ST is lighter, as is the 4a as opposed to the 3s.
Yep. and no
the silver top is crap.
but once slightly mod, it gets like the black top
I became a believer of the silver top at my mechanic start mods on it. It was unbelievable
Turbocharging the 20v in my opinion show more promise than the 4agze.
This post has been edited by west_minist: May 9, 2003 - 6:16 AM
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why do you think the 20v has more promise than the gze? It's just not built for boost.
I just find that here in BB, once you go forge pistons, the 20v behaves like a beast.
The most probably reasons are the 3 vavles which allows more air into the engine and the head shape and other little refinements and rotational masses.
This post has been edited by west_minist: May 9, 2003 - 11:37 AM
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Well, in my opinion, 600 bucks won't be enough to even acquire everything needed for either of the two swaps. The guy was asking about basic mods on the 5S-FE or the 7A-FE.
true enough, but where could I find pistons to lower the 4age's CR?
is it possible to put one of the 4A engines into a GT fairly cheaply (compared to the 3SGTE)?
And can some one give a straight answer, which is better the 4AGE balck top (165 HP) or the Late model 4AGZE with the 170 HP, since the 4AGE isnt supercharged, and has the unique 20 Valves and 4 throttle bodies/cylinder it should have more potential right? If I were to get the 4AGE, could I just supercharge it in the same way the 4AGZE is done (I know that the GE has a CR of like 10.3 and the GZE has a CR of 8.0 or something, but even running a tiny supercharger on the GE would yield more HP than the GZE has)
I'm really considering this as a swap, since I would love to see what I could do with the small 1.6 L and all those intakes when it comes time for tuning.
How come toyota built such a great small engine and then gave us cars that are pretty much all show and no go. I think the engine should reflect the appearence of the car, if it looks good make it fast.
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> GT is better...although it is still slow, or so I'm told.