Im putting together a complete reference to a 3sgte engine swap from a 7afe or 5sfe, I gathered almost all the information I put into it on the net... anyone feel like correcting or adding other necessary info?


here is the file: 3sgte Engine Swap Reference

Click on the link you posted, the html is all jumbled

-celica3sgte+Mar 28, 2004 - 10:41 PM

Thanks kuya... forgot to mention its rar'd...

thats real help full man.

I still can't view the rar. I have it on this computer. hmmm I'll figure it out eventually

>> can someone post the unzipped version

Ok... I decided to host the information... since people are having trouble opening the rar file. You can view the information here:

http://www.technoscribble.net/3sgte

or you can download the zip file here:

http://www.technoscribble.net/3sgte/3sgte.zip

Please note that I am not taking credit for any of this. I'm just trying to help out a fellow board member. In addition, I have not yet read any of the information. I'll try to get around to reading it some time this week.

This post has been edited by kuya1284: Mar 30, 2004 - 4:42 AM

Excellent. The only thing you forgot was the Axle bracket in the parts list. You mentioned it in your description but not in the parts list. There are actually two pieces. One that bolts to the back of the block, and the other the has to be pressed on the axle carrier bearing. I've got part #'s for everything if you want them.

Well I figured I'd put it up here so people can help add to it etc... but yeah if u can get me the part #'s etc I'd appreciate it...


This post has been edited by DmVinny: Apr 2, 2004 - 11:11 AM

Quick question. I know that if you import a 3S, you have to re-wire because the car is set up for RHD. However, if you had all the parts to a RHD car... would you still have to re-wire. Cause if not, boy oh boy would I jump right into the swap crowd. I'd have the only RHD 3S FWD around! lol. Thanks guys

ok im in the middle of this swap and i have questions. anyone who has completed this and is ever on aol hit me up so we can shoot the sh!t when u have a few minutes.

kyels05

1. Who actually rebuilds there engine before they swap?? Im planning on doing the swap myself when I get a celica and if i can eliminate things like a 1000 dollar rebuild kit then that would be great.

2. What about ecu? Do you have to find a 3sgte ecu? Do they tend to come with the engine??

3. So aside from custom down pipe and wiring harness everything else while recommended is still optional?

4. The list of parts where it says "yes" "no" "recommended", Im assuming yes means you have to purchase that part? I thought you needed mr2 axles? or is that just because they are more rigid? or because they are needed for the e153 tranny?

5. Using the S54 tranny what clutch/flywheel combo will you use? Does the 5sfe stuff fit or do you use the 3sgte parts?

6. What are the difference in gear ratios between the e153 and s54 trannies?

7. For the people who did the swap who is using there 5sfe tranny?

EDIT: Found this info about using the e135 tranny.

My gt tranny is holding up fine on the swap. My 3rd gear syncro is jacked up. As far as power goes it's perfectly fine at 200 to the wheels. We'll see what happens when I turn up the boost, I'm sure it will be fine. I'm worried about launching at the track with slicks and gt axles.
I think the mr2 lsd tranny is a little over $1400 for the whole swap.
Mr2 tranny $900
Mr2 axles $150
St185 axles $150
Mr2 Clutch disc $120
Shift linkage $150

you use the inner halfshafts from one set and the outer halfshafts from the other to make custom axels.
if i remember correctly, the celica axles fit into the wheel hubs, but not the transmission...and the mr2 axles fit into the tranny, but not the wheel hubs.
so, you use the mr2 inner halfshafts and celica outer halfshafts to make an axle that fits both

This post has been edited by Uppitycracker: Apr 3, 2004 - 11:23 PM

-Uppitycracker+Apr 3, 2004 - 8:20 PM

Awesome man thanks for the info. Alot of that could go into the reference guide. It doesnt seem to terribly expensive for parts. Just a few more questions:

1. Where have people gotten there engines from? and for how much? what was shipping costs like?

2. How much would you estimate parts cost all together, not including any labour.

1. I got screwed. i got mine from jdm.inc and it is missing everything, and they refuse to take it back even after i had a lawyer call them. im selling it locally for a few hundred bucks and sucking up the loss. chrobis got a clip from them and it was fine tho.
i would stick with jarco, venusauto, and rickysauto in miami. he seems to have decent clips, and hes all over ebay. his name is raceup.

in my opinion get a clip! clip clip clip. nothing is cut and everything is there.

engines are usually 1k-1500 and clips 1300-2300

2.well for me parts is gonna be about 3k because i went all out. freddy turbo timer and boost controller, fancy fmic, all custom piping etc. but i think including labor you could get it done for a bare minimum of 4k. depending on your labor costs.

This post has been edited by blkGT: Apr 4, 2004 - 11:03 AM

haha uppity, just all stuff that ive learned from researching on my own >>

-blkGT+Apr 4, 2004 - 9:04 AM

if you use a mr2 tranny. your going to use the mr2 transmission and 6cyl camry solars halfshafts (i learned this from kuya)


about how much are these, where can i get them (local parts store?)

if you haven't already, for this 7A-3s swap, please, archive qatars site... he'll probably take it down soon and i'm sure there are a few tidbits of info on that page..

i understand all of what u guys r saying but what i really need to know is what parts i would need to buy meaning intercooler exhaust ect and if i need them just to run the engine and i also wana know how long the engine would last cause i dont wana spend like 4 thousand and only have the engine for a year and then it blows on me. I have a 96 Celica ST204 HAtch if ne one can right back to me and give me a complete parts list of what i would need to buy and and estimate as to how much money labor and parts would be it would be very much appreciated im really close to afording this swap all i need are these estimations and i will be good to go

I remember reading that you could use a 6 speed transmission, which one was it? Whats needed for it? I may do it just for the gas mileage. Or is the difference too minute?

-sinner96ST+Jun 7, 2004 - 5:21 PM

hey obi1kinob
tryed to get it from the site but site seems to be having trouble can u pls send it to me by aim, it would be greatly appreciated...thnx