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Topic #65082 65 posts Started by yellowchinaman
Well it's been a long wait but its finally all done.
For the past few weeks I had to wait for BC to send me a new set of bottom inserts as I had to result to cutting the old ones off due to a mistake in the instructions being the other way round.

This is going to be a huge update so I'll split it into front and rear starting with the rear setup.





REAR:

The rear coilovers where incredibly easy to install. I had no problems and issues what so ever. It was a simple bolt off and bolt on and the only thing which held me back was my old drop links in which I ended up angle grinding it off and replacing them with new ones.

As you can see in the picture there was no problems with the 2 bolts unlike the older D2's which didn't line up properly.


Do take note that when lining up the top mounts that the pointiest corner (the peak) points outwards. Took me about 15 mins of turning to realise that it wasn't a perfect triangle formation tongue.gif


The drop links fitted perfectly and the brake cable was a diddle to bolt on.


One thing you'll notice immediately (if you haven't changed anything) is once you've put the rear wheel on, you'll realise how short the rear coilovers are compared to normal shocks. The wheel literally sits within the arches when jacked up.

The other thing is how difficult it is to tighten the deepest top mount bolt through the small gap where the strut brace passes through the boot trim.
The reason being is that you now have the adjustable knob sticking up which adjusts the stiffness of the dampers and that gets in the way of using a normal 12mm spanner so I'd recommend ripping out the boot side trims when installing these. It will save you a lot of cursing and hand cuts.

After I lowered the car the rear was sooooooooooooo low it was ridicules. I took it for a test drive still just for a laugh and found that even though it was set that low, I was still able to go over bumps quite comfortably and nothing bottled out.

Then I jacked the car up again to adjust the height based on the test drive.
First off was the ride comfort.
You immediately notice as expected that coilovers would feel stiffer then shocks and springs.
The factory setting is 8 clicks from soft to hard.

After changing the settings about 5 times I decided to set it to the fallowing:

The springs where set for maximum travel so I could use it's full length. Where as I wanted a stiffer rear I still wanted a comfortable ride and a car which can clear urban city speed bumps.
however even though setting the springs to its maximum length the ride height was still too low.
So then I extended the length by unscrewing the coilover out more to extend the length.

I ended up extending it by 3cm making the total gap between the bottom spring ring lock and the bottom ring lock 5cm's apart.

In the manual it says that for a macpherson setup should have a minimum of 80mm's inserted in the bottom end and for a A setup to have 25mm's inserted.
There is more then 25mm left still in the rear bottom legs so I didn't have to worry.
As for the damper setting, I decided to keep it at 18 clicks.





















FRONT:

Firstly i welded the superstrut legs to the inserts using an ARC weld which is IMO one of the toughest weld and ideal for this situation.
Theo only thing is you only get one chance at it and if you don't have it the correct way round or not lined up properly then your only solution is to cut it off entirely like I did before.

Once welded, I sanded off the old rusty surface from the superstrut legs and sprayed it down. When assembled with the coilover it should look like this:


Again notice that its shorter compared to normal shocks and springs like the rear but remember that the springs on the coilovers are stiffer then normal or lowering springs so with the weight of the car on, it doesn't sink as low as normal shocks and springs.


When I disassembled both sides, I took this opportunity to replace my crush tubes to "Mr Barry's up rated crush tubes" from the GT4OC.


Getting these out can be a pain in the arse because the arms are at an angle so getting the bush lined up and straight for the tubes and bolt to be inserted and lined up can be annoying.
So this is how I did it.
Use a jack and jack up the front assembly so that the banana arm is horizontal. That way you just jiggle it a bit ant you can pull out the old tube and inset the new ones easily.


After changing the crush tubes, installing the coilovers where again straight forward.
Making sure the top mounts where rotated correctly so that the camber travels horizontally.



At first when installing one side I did notice the drop link didn't line up. It was too short.


But then when I took off the old shocks from the other side and put in the coilover, the drop links became equal on both sides and bolted on fine.


However I did have a problem with the brake hoses.
Neither side lined up perfectly so that I could clip them down. It was either at the wrong angle or welded in the incorrect place.
Warning. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO BEND THE BRAKE HOSE TO MAKE IT FIT!!!

This wasn't such a big problem because I simply cable tied it down.


Then I pieced it together and took it for a test drive, came back to set the adjustments.

Just like my initial aim with some comfort and practicality in mind, I set the front accordingly like the rears.
Again with maximum spring travel and making sure there was minimum 80mm within inserted in the bottom ends, the distance between the two ring locks was 30mms.


When fitted it looked like this:


This time the front dampers where set a bit softer then the rear at just 12 clicks from soft to hard.
It was still harder then stock setting and any more made me feel that every speed bump started to feel a bit like a bang.

And this is what the car looks like now with the coilovers on.

Its a little bit higher then my TRD lowering springs but not as high as stock height.

I took the car into alignment and had the front cambers set to 1deg out and rear at 0 for better then stock cornering ability.
On my way, I found myself flying over speed bumps and pot holes without a worry and cornering much harder then I was able to before with KYB shocks and TRD lowering springs.

There was no clunking, banging or any signs of the front end bottling out.
The rear end started to slide out easier when set on hard and I have stock ARB. It did not skip across lanes like the D2's where described. It was actually controllable.
I felt like I have a new car again and when driving, it handled a lot like a go kart around the bends. The feed back and response from the shocks wasn't at all uncomfortable and the car felt very well planted when hammering hard in 3rd gear around the bends at boost.

I never felt that I was able to corner this hard and felt this stable when I had up rated shocks and springs even though when I did change to that previous setup, I was already over the moon.


Overall ratings and thoughts:

First impressions was a lot more impressive then what I had expected. The build quality is of a very high standard and on paper the spec does sound impressive. eg. Bigger girth is always better. smile.gif
What's involved in the installation can be scary for any amateur home DIY mechanic and is defiantly not for the faint hearted.
However I was expecting a lot worse and through out the process I was constantly praying that the front superstrut wouldn't develop a problem and could deliver usable performance.
Despite the mix up with the instructions and the front brake clips being not so perfect, this entire experience was actually quite enjoyable and very very rewarding.
The BC coilovers are definitely worth the upgrade and dramatically improved the handling of the ST205.
With such limited range of coilovers out there for the ST205, the BC had successfully offered a very competitive yet affordable option.
In fairness, though there are roomers that they're made from the same factories as where the D2, k-sport and G4 coilovers are made, BC are a seperate entity and differs in design and spec compared to those other brands and so I couldn't really place BC at the same level as the other brands but yet I cant class them the same as the leading brands like TRD and Tein.
I have to say that I was a little bit disappointed that BC didn't offer adjustable top mounts for the rear because most GT4 track users would adjust the front and rear camber a bit however I gusee this could easily be resolved by buying adjustable camber bolts for the rear.


My other thoughts are what problems these could develop in future?
The Tein, Cusco and TRD top mounts do corrode a bit when exposed to rain mainly due to the fact that we have a vent directly over it.
Where as these top mounts do look very strong and sturdy, I would have to wait and see what nature will do to them and if it exposes the qualities of the materials used.
Also its just a matter of time untill someone test BC when they're in need for a rebuild. With these being so unique and so exclusive to certain distributers I hope that wouldn't be me anytime in the near future.

At the moment I'm still very happy and excited like I've come out the show room with a new car but time will expose more issues.

Yes I did run into set backs and yes it is much more of a job compared to other coilovers but you cant say you're a faff owner unless you've really faffed about with your four can you?

For around £600-700 for a set of coilovers with superstruts that actually works... BC have really set a new standard for us to all think about.



Special thanks:
Firstly I'd like to thank James at performanceguru.co.nz, not for helping me to be the first to own and try these coilovers but more for the work you've put into helping BC develop these coilovers.
Though performanceguru's exclusivity over these SS coilover didn't last that long from BC, just rem
ember that thre are thousands of us ST205 owners out there, who appreciate your contribution to bring us an affordable option.

Secondly Kev from apexperformance.co.uk who helped me get my message through to BC regarding the dodgy instructions and promptly arranged for a set of replacemnts.

Lastly my mad mechanic Mat who helped me with advice and welded them up for me (twice) and Taras for donating his crappy left over superstrut legs which was lying around in his garage anyway.


Ray aka YCM.
Great writeup! Do you suggest BC instead of Megans?
Thank you for this great write-up! I'm seriously considering getting a set for my ST202 with superstrut. I was also looking at KYB super street specials, but since you have experience with these and like the BC ones better, that settles it for me. Cheers!
BC coilovers are highly regarded in the Subaru community. They definitely have higher build quality to them than Megan, Ksport, and D2, which are all the same (basically) and have a much better reputation behind them. In a few months I will be purchasing a set for my Celica and I'll do a writeup on the ST202 units.

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Not to sound ignorant, or silly, but will all sets sold from bc (or other dealers) have to have the fronts welded to the stock suspension to some degree? In other words, they will not be a simple bolt on? kindasad.gif


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QUOTE (3WayStunna @ Jul 23, 2009 - 5:03 AM) *
>Not to sound ignorant, or silly, but will all sets sold from bc (or other dealers) have to have the fronts welded to the stock suspension to some degree? In other words, they will not be a simple bolt on? kindasad.gif


Not at all my friend.

All the superstrut ones will need to be welded. As far as I know the ST20* superstruts are the only coilover BC made which needs to be welded because of the extreme cost of fabricating the lower superstrut half hence this is the best solution. It's not hard to weld TBH. Any local welder can do it for you.

Its been quite a few months now since having them installed and I've had no problems at all. Still flying over pot holes and speed bumps and I drive my car pretty hard around bends. Still happy playing with the dampering settings and not a sign of corrosion or rust. Feels like the day I first installed them.

This post has been edited by yellowchinaman: Jul 23, 2009 - 7:42 AM
well thank you much Chinaman. Speaking for myself, it could be a problem, but maybe not. Lol, do the intructions come im japanese?

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QUOTE (3WayStunna @ Jul 28, 2009 - 6:38 AM) *
>well thank you much Chinaman. Speaking for myself, it could be a problem, but maybe not. Lol, do the intructions come im japanese?


lol. no but they do come in english. Or you can fallow my guide. wink.gif
Hi Ray !!!

As I fitted them too, what about your rear BC - rear tyres clearance ?!?

I found mine to be VERY VERY small with 235/40-17, unfortunately...



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Hi Wolf. I dont have that problem. I have much more then 4mm. Over 1CM in fact.

I have 8J wide supertourismo's though. Offset is 35.
What wheels do you have and what's the offset?
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QUOTE (yellowchinaman @ Oct 3, 2009 - 7:44 PM) *
>Hi Wolf. I dont have that problem. I have much more then 4mm. Over 1CM in fact.

I have 8J wide supertourismo's though. Offset is 35.
What wheels do you have and what's the offset?



Hi Ray,
I have Volk TE37 17" 8JJ et38... so you have 3mm more... wink.gif

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How do you find these coilovers compared to Tein SS. I had Tein SS on my car for a very short time but had to remove them. They may be good for track but on typical Irish back roads I spent most of my time avoiding bumps and potholes. Is there full travel on these shocks and what are the roads like where you live in Italy?
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QUOTE (jackett @ Oct 4, 2009 - 11:51 PM) *
>How do you find these coilovers compared to Tein SS. I had Tein SS on my car for a very short time but had to remove them. They may be good for track but on typical Irish back roads I spent most of my time avoiding bumps and potholes. Is there full travel on these shocks and what are the roads like where you live in Italy?



I didn't like Tein SS, but this is for sure because my car is 85 kgs lighter in the front...
that's why I removed them and I went to install this BC, I still have to use...
Yes, full travel.

Italian mountain roads, where I use it, are turny and bumpy... we will see how they are...

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Received a mail from BC racing:
for them 4mm clearance is ok, so no problem...

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What is the ride height adjustablity like, i see uve got it set in the picture after installation. can it go lower??

Merce
yellowchinaman, please post something about riding on BC coilovers ) are you satisfied?
isnt it that megan racing coilovers are rebranded BC coilovers?

i have to find that post again from a different forum.

btw, how much does these go for?

edit: BC stands for Bor-Chuann racing?

This post has been edited by nics: Feb 9, 2010 - 5:14 PM

God made man....Everything else...Made in China
Yeah its Bor-Chuann, and they have made coilovers for different brands as a subcontractor, probably for megan too.

mines just came, and are ready to be installed!

320hp @ 6300rpm and 420Nm @ 3250rpm. yay!My ST205 WRC buildthread
Hello guys..This Bc coilcovers can fit on toyota celica st205 (gt4) with no problems ??
wich company it make BC

Please ansewr me asap please
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QUOTE (GT4 @ Oct 5, 2011 - 4:59 AM) *
>Hello guys..This Bc coilcovers can fit on toyota celica st205 (gt4) with no problems ??
wich company it make BC

Please ansewr me asap please


you have to weld the front shocks to the superstrut arm. There's a thread somewhere but its not easy to do it yourself and unless you know how to weld.

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QUOTE (GT4 @ Oct 5, 2011 - 11:59 AM) *
>Hello guys..This Bc coilcovers can fit on toyota celica st205 (gt4) with no problems ??
wich company it make BC

Please ansewr me asap please

Honestly not sure what you want to know (this is topic about BCs for ST205 = they must fit). And... BC is name of the brand... unless you ask where BC is from. It's British company. http://www.bc-racing.co.uk/

And... if you are asking about "plug-and-play" solution you have only two options. TEIN or TRD. Any other company (BC included) that makes coilovers for ST205 requires welding on it.






note: I have them on my ST205 and can say they are the best option for ST205 (IMO)

This post has been edited by malpaso: Oct 31, 2012 - 9:45 AM

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digging this old thread....

thanks Ray for the great write up!

i'll be getting my hand on these coilovers soon, but a quick question for those ST202/205 hybrids:

what spring rates are best for this setup.....mine is essentially ST205 @ front and ST202 at the back, would an 8K front, 4K rear work?

i noticed BC sells two models

1. C-26 94-99 CELICA (SUPERSTRUT) ST205 comes with different spring rate options
(6K-4K)
(8K-5K)
(8K-6K)
(9K-7K)
(10K-6K)
http://www.bc-racing.co.uk/c-bcc26/toyota-...perstrut-94-99/

2. C-33 94-99 CELICA(SUPERSTRUT) ST202 (8K front, 4K rear)

and im also not sure if the fronts sets are same just with a different spring rates for the ST205 and 202 respectively?

THX
im loving my Bc coilovers, awesome in everyway! stiff but comfy awesome cornering in the gt4!

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wow. Didnt think this thread was still going on.
Ok so about my BC's. They're still working 100% and I'm very happy. My only thoughts are that I wish they had released adjustable top mounts for the rears from the start. It would had helped a lot.
Secondly regarding spring rates. I would personally go for the (9K-7K) given teh second time round. At the moment with what I have is that it practically feels very comfortable and very able handling and cornering. (9K-7K)
would had be a bit harder which I think if you're going coilovers, you may as well go the extra mile for a race upgrade.

Now over the years, (3 years now?) the only fault I've had is that the paint on my springs had started to flake and crack off exposing it. Not that bad considering the high milage use of my car and full-o-sh1t pot holes we have here in the UK roads.
I think I'll just end up taking them apart and cleaning them up and uprating the springs when that happens.

REgarding the weld join. no problems what so ever. I have had the occasion where I've jumped and thought my car was gonna smash to bits but it still turned out fine. No hair line cracks what so ever.

Clearance with alloys? Well I no longer have the supertourismo's any more but 18 Revolutions which has no problem what so ever.

My only issue is that the allen key bolts for the top mounts are a bit rubbish because they store water and rust.
I've changed mine to SS hex bolts before they break.

Zeus. Regardingyour question, the 202 versions are literally the same but with a different spring load weight not as high as ST205.
glad to hear your positive feedback guys!

so Ray, 3 years of no rebuild? biggrin.gif

well i might opt for higher K for the fronts....9 or 10K but ST202 rear is light scared the 5K-7K is too stiff and bumpy....will opt for the stock 4K (my TRDs now are 10K and 6K at the back...damn uncomfy)

i hope guys with similar setup share the stories here smile.gif

one last Q for u Ray....what weld did the shop use...cause im gonna DIY myself..

Cheers!
Sam

I had a friend use Mig weld on them and it was only about 3 spots of 2 cm's not all the way round. After welding, we immediately sprayed it with paint to prevent it from rusting. Till this day it looks as good as day 1.
cool!

but mind me asking, why not weld all round and what went wrong in your first weld? (mentioned that instructions were the other way around?)

btw, My BC are on the way now :-)

so will keep everyone posted on this hybrid ST202/05 setup!

ok...lets start!

First of all thanks to Ray aka YCM for this informative write up!

Getting the Coilovers



cutting the Kayaba NEW SR



Grinding and filing



Welding the BC inserts



Spray painting the Lower ARM+BC Inserts



Straight forward rear shocks installation



and installing the fronts set....workshop had some pain removing my old TRD's they had to take the whole lower strut



notice the welding



and finally...adjusting the camber



the Shocks were way better that the TRDs i had....im IMPRESSED!
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QUOTE (Wolf_tm @ Oct 3, 2009 - 11:30 PM) *
>Hi Ray !!!

As I fitted them too, what about your rear BC - rear tyres clearance ?!?

I found mine to be VERY VERY small with 235/40-17, unfortunately...






I have about 2mm clearance on the left side and 4mm clearance on the right side (??) - 205/55-16 OZ Crono 16x8 et38

Mike W1996 Toyota Celica ST205 GT-FOURGT2860RS turbine, TiAL mvr44, JE 86.5φ piston, Clutchmasters FX400, APEX P-FC269awhp / 273ft-lbs
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QUOTE (yellowchinaman @ Feb 2, 2009 - 12:12 AM) *
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QUOTE (azian_advanced @ Feb 1, 2009 - 10:07 AM) *
>i'm still stumped as to how these are installed. you'll need to remove the 'base' of your stock suspension in order to fit these? how are you supposed to do that?


Its teh bottom legs of the superstrut which is costing a lot of money to make. Thats why D2, G Force, K Sport etc all offers coilover which is inserted into the legs like chaning the hydrolics. But this give a very short travel. Only 3 inchs I believe which is rubbish. Only TRD and Tein make a full superstrut coilover.
This one isdifferent because it requires you to cut the legs down to the bottom and they offer a bigger and logercoilover which in inserted in by about 2 inches and welded onto the stock legs.
This allows thefull travel of the full coilover like TRD and Tein but at less then half the cost.
Look at the first page and you'll understand

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QUOTE (Culpable04 @ Feb 1, 2009 - 11:03 AM) *
>I think that has to be done only for the super strut suspension, for normal McPherson that's not needed.


Correct.

I had a bit of set back. The used legs donated to me had broken top ball joints so I need to order them first.



YO YELLOWCHINAMAN can you elaborate on the other lower end companies that make the inserts for the superstrut coilovers. I saw a member selling ksport coilover inserted into the housing of oem superstrut shocks. I asked him to take pics but he never posted more detailed ones of them. perhaps he'll sne me something over soon

also are trd and tein coilovers lower than your current set up due to the fact that they come as a full coilover vs the BC's you installed

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