You have to pull the tank to install the rears? Can anyone else confirm this?
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-Supersprynt+Jan 10, 2005 - 8:52 AM
yea, seriously i don't like the sound of that.
QUOTE(Supersprynt @ Jan 10, 2005 - 8:52 AM)
You have to pull the tank to install the rears? Can anyone else confirm this?
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yea, seriously i don't like the sound of that.
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-Supersprynt+Jan 10, 2005 - 1:52 PM
You don't have to pull it so much as remove the tank retention bands and move it. It's slightly a PITA, but overall not too bad. I had access to a lift when I did mine; I just propped the tank with a transmission jack and maneuvered the bar into place.
I only have the ST rear bar, and I would not say that the car is "dangerous." With the bar on the least firm setting it's actually pretty neutral with my setup.
QUOTE(Supersprynt @ Jan 10, 2005 - 1:52 PM)
You have to pull the tank to install the rears? Can anyone else confirm this?
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You don't have to pull it so much as remove the tank retention bands and move it. It's slightly a PITA, but overall not too bad. I had access to a lift when I did mine; I just propped the tank with a transmission jack and maneuvered the bar into place.
I only have the ST rear bar, and I would not say that the car is "dangerous." With the bar on the least firm setting it's actually pretty neutral with my setup.
Ok, the front on the ST rubs on the left side right after it bends up. When you jack your car up you should be able to tell that it is a lot closer to the underbody than the right. That is where you need to pound hte area. I didn't take off my sway barm I just used a pry bar and a hammer to move it. It wasn't easy with no real room to get a great swing.
As for lubing up the bushing. I recommend using lithium grease for marine vessels. This stuff is water proof and lasts forever it seems. I also greased up where the car was rubbing to help out.
If someone wants pics still let me know cause I gotta change my oil soon
Jeremy
As for lubing up the bushing. I recommend using lithium grease for marine vessels. This stuff is water proof and lasts forever it seems. I also greased up where the car was rubbing to help out.
If someone wants pics still let me know cause I gotta change my oil soon
Jeremy
Hey shoot me some pics - thanks.
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id also be interested.
ok. I will try to do it this weekend.
Jeremy
Jeremy
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id also be interested.
Please post the pics Jeremy. If you can't, I would like to get them too.
Jay.
QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.
-jgreening+Jan 12, 2005 - 6:17 PM
Please post the pics Jeremy. If you can't, I would like to get them too.
Jay.
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same here bro, i would like some pics as well.
QUOTE(jgreening @ Jan 12, 2005 - 6:17 PM)
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id also be interested.
Please post the pics Jeremy. If you can't, I would like to get them too.
Jay.
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same here bro, i would like some pics as well.
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I finally had a chance to get under the car and address this issue. Here is a pretty dark picture of the problem:
As you can see, the middle part of the sway bar sticks up to clear the subframe. Unfortunately, it goes up TOO FAR! The clearance with no load on the car is about 1/4 of an inch. With a load, its right next to it. Any body lean or up and down motion under torque and its hitting the undercarriage.
Above the sway bar is the undercarriage of the car. Before I did anything to it, the undercarriage was already significantly bent up from the sway bar hitting it on corners or under torque. I used a prybar (as a tool to hit - I would not recommend prying the sway bar apart from the undercarriage) and a hammer to give it greater clearance but it will only move so much. I probably got an extra 1/8" to 1/4". I haven't driven on it yet, but I am not optimistic. I am going to contact Suspension Techniques and see if they have an easier fix if this didn't work.
As you can see, the middle part of the sway bar sticks up to clear the subframe. Unfortunately, it goes up TOO FAR! The clearance with no load on the car is about 1/4 of an inch. With a load, its right next to it. Any body lean or up and down motion under torque and its hitting the undercarriage.
Above the sway bar is the undercarriage of the car. Before I did anything to it, the undercarriage was already significantly bent up from the sway bar hitting it on corners or under torque. I used a prybar (as a tool to hit - I would not recommend prying the sway bar apart from the undercarriage) and a hammer to give it greater clearance but it will only move so much. I probably got an extra 1/8" to 1/4". I haven't driven on it yet, but I am not optimistic. I am going to contact Suspension Techniques and see if they have an easier fix if this didn't work.
QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.
Dude, September 12, 1961? Time to program ur digital.
Thanks for the pic but damn its blurry.
Thanks for the pic but damn its blurry.
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So I dont get it, if it rubs against it no matter what u do, why both getting it, or its only before u pound on that peace?
Any updates on the clearance issues? Also, those with the rubbing: How far is your car lowered compared to stock?
I originally thought the car being lowered was part of the problem but I don't think so anymore. I think its a design issue with the sway bars. The sway bars attach by a U shaped clip to the top side of lower members on the each side of the car. From there, the sway bar bends upwards and over the lower cross member that spans the width of the car. IMO, it seems as they simply travel to far up under the car and end up hitting the undercarriage. This "middle" section should simply be designed a little lower so that the bar would travel right inbetween the lower cross member and the undercarriage - but it doesn't. Both spedtoe and Jeremy had luck simply bending the undercarriage upward. I have not had as good of luck yet.
QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.
Viewing the pics in Jeremy's profile, it does seem to be a design issue if his car is not lowered. I'll have to do some more research before spending the money. What other brands besides the ST bars are available for the celica? I had an ST rear bar on my eclipse before junking it in favor of some thick-a$$ bars (front and rear) made by RMDSM. The Suspension Techniques bars IMO really aren't agressive enough for serious drivers.
What if spacers were put above the u-clips, lowering them a bit?
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the u-clips sit upsidedown on the top side of the cross member. Putting spacers there would make the problem worse.
QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.
Heres an Idea for you guys that have lowered the car or are still having rubbing issues. I recently redid the grease on the spot where i bent the car, but before i put grease on, I had some extra really sticky dynamat(the kind with the silver backing and really sticky black stuff. I put that on and smooshed the hell outta it and the lubed it up. This might help with the noise. I did it for 1 reason, I accidentally put a hole in my undercarriage, so I used it to cover it.
This is just an idea, but I think it might help out. If one of you want to try it without buying it, I'll send you a piece or 2 to give it a shot.
Oh and trust me on the Marine Grease. It works wonders >
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Jeremy
This is just an idea, but I think it might help out. If one of you want to try it without buying it, I'll send you a piece or 2 to give it a shot.
Oh and trust me on the Marine Grease. It works wonders >
>Jeremy
-jgreening+Feb 9, 2005 - 9:32 AM
Gotcha, so has anybody contacted Susp. Tech. bout this? Perhaps we can get a response if a few of us write to them.
Or how bout using a different bushing?
This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Feb 9, 2005 - 2:17 PM
QUOTE(jgreening @ Feb 9, 2005 - 9:32 AM)
the u-clips sit upsidedown on the top side of the cross member. Putting spacers there would make the problem worse.
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Gotcha, so has anybody contacted Susp. Tech. bout this? Perhaps we can get a response if a few of us write to them.
Or how bout using a different bushing?
This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Feb 9, 2005 - 2:17 PM
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-Supersprynt+Feb 9, 2005 - 2:12 PM
I contacted them. They said the would pull in a celica and verify there is a problem. If they determine that there is, they have promised to address it. Although the representative appeared very genuine, I am not sure how long this might take. I contacted them about 10 days ago. No follow-up yet.
How would using a different bushing help?
This post has been edited by jgreening: Feb 9, 2005 - 3:57 PM
QUOTE(Supersprynt @ Feb 9, 2005 - 2:12 PM)
-jgreening+Feb 9, 2005 - 9:32 AM
Gotcha, so has anybody contacted Susp. Tech. bout this? Perhaps we can get a response if a few of us write to them.
Or how bout using a different bushing?
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QUOTE(jgreening @ Feb 9, 2005 - 9:32 AM)
the u-clips sit upsidedown on the top side of the cross member. Putting spacers there would make the problem worse.
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Gotcha, so has anybody contacted Susp. Tech. bout this? Perhaps we can get a response if a few of us write to them.
Or how bout using a different bushing?
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I contacted them. They said the would pull in a celica and verify there is a problem. If they determine that there is, they have promised to address it. Although the representative appeared very genuine, I am not sure how long this might take. I contacted them about 10 days ago. No follow-up yet.
How would using a different bushing help?
This post has been edited by jgreening: Feb 9, 2005 - 3:57 PM
QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.
I've got these bars on my 95 GT hatch. No rubbing issues, the car handles great and no noise when cornering. BUT. the thing makes the worst squeeking noises when going over bumps and bad pavement. I've lubed up the new bushings several times, no difference. Anyone else have a squeek problem rather than a metal on metal problem.
JB
JB
-JB1981+Oct 21, 2005 - 6:13 PM
way to bring up dead posts.. lol..
It was a bad design, and yeah your saposed to lube up a lot. They fixed the design now..
QUOTE(JB1981 @ Oct 21, 2005 - 6:13 PM)
I've got these bars on my 95 GT hatch. No rubbing issues, the car handles great and no noise when cornering. BUT. the thing makes the worst squeeking noises when going over bumps and bad pavement. I've lubed up the new bushings several times, no difference. Anyone else have a squeek problem rather than a metal on metal problem.
JB
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way to bring up dead posts.. lol..
It was a bad design, and yeah your saposed to lube up a lot. They fixed the design now..
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This post has been edited by JB1981: Oct 26, 2005 - 4:31 PM
-Digndoug+Oct 23, 2005 - 10:49 PM
haha, i am bringing up a almost dead posting...hahaha >
> ...they fixed the problem?...where do i get them (plzz attach a link:))
--for bang-for-the-buck-...should i get sway bars or strut bars?...i want to handle this baby like mad...i want some real stuff on a winding road...hehe (will stiffening up the suspention kill me on road trips?)
thanks for you responses-
-snapshotgt
QUOTE(Digndoug @ Oct 23, 2005 - 10:49 PM)
-JB1981+Oct 21, 2005 - 6:13 PM
way to bring up dead posts.. lol..
It was a bad design, and yeah your saposed to lube up a lot. They fixed the design now..
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QUOTE(JB1981 @ Oct 21, 2005 - 6:13 PM)
I've got these bars on my 95 GT hatch. No rubbing issues, the car handles great and no noise when cornering. BUT. the thing makes the worst squeeking noises when going over bumps and bad pavement. I've lubed up the new bushings several times, no difference. Anyone else have a squeek problem rather than a metal on metal problem.
JB
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JB
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way to bring up dead posts.. lol..
It was a bad design, and yeah your saposed to lube up a lot. They fixed the design now..
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haha, i am bringing up a almost dead posting...hahaha >
> ...they fixed the problem?...where do i get them (plzz attach a link:))--for bang-for-the-buck-...should i get sway bars or strut bars?...i want to handle this baby like mad...i want some real stuff on a winding road...hehe (will stiffening up the suspention kill me on road trips?)
thanks for you responses-
-snapshotgt
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BUMP! sway bars or sturt bars for first suspension mod. which does more for handling??
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Sways for sure.
Strut bars just prevent chassis twist whereas sways prevent body roll.
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BUMP! sway bars or sturt bars for first suspension mod. which does more for handling??
BUMP! sway bars or sturt bars for first suspension mod. which does more for handling??
Sways for sure.
Strut bars just prevent chassis twist whereas sways prevent body roll.
I've been doing some research into sway bars and have some questions:
1) Considering the Front engine, FWD, long celica will understeer (Unless you ahve made other mods) why does the front sway bar seem more popular than the rear, which should balance the over - understeer, and possibly get oversteer (good!).
2) I'm fairly sure about this, but could someone confirm that the rear strut bar doesn't have problems with knocking into the underbody.
3) I havn't put much thought / resarch into this yet, but how about a rear strut bar to get the car closer to oversteer, and a front strut bar to sharpen up the steering?
1) Considering the Front engine, FWD, long celica will understeer (Unless you ahve made other mods) why does the front sway bar seem more popular than the rear, which should balance the over - understeer, and possibly get oversteer (good!).
2) I'm fairly sure about this, but could someone confirm that the rear strut bar doesn't have problems with knocking into the underbody.
3) I havn't put much thought / resarch into this yet, but how about a rear strut bar to get the car closer to oversteer, and a front strut bar to sharpen up the steering?
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I also have the same #2 question....im interested into buying F/R ST sways..but i want to be sure im not buying the 'old' model which was knocking...was it the front or rear that had that issue anyway?
How do we know that we're buying the 'good' model?
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I've been doing some research into sway bars and have some questions:
1) Considering the Front engine, FWD, long celica will understeer (Unless you ahve made other mods) why does the front sway bar seem more popular than the rear, which should balance the over - understeer, and possibly get oversteer (good!).
2) I'm fairly sure about this, but could someone confirm that the rear strut bar doesn't have problems with knocking into the underbody.
3) I havn't put much thought / resarch into this yet, but how about a rear strut bar to get the car closer to oversteer, and a front strut bar to sharpen up the steering?
I've been doing some research into sway bars and have some questions:
1) Considering the Front engine, FWD, long celica will understeer (Unless you ahve made other mods) why does the front sway bar seem more popular than the rear, which should balance the over - understeer, and possibly get oversteer (good!).
2) I'm fairly sure about this, but could someone confirm that the rear strut bar doesn't have problems with knocking into the underbody.
3) I havn't put much thought / resarch into this yet, but how about a rear strut bar to get the car closer to oversteer, and a front strut bar to sharpen up the steering?
I also have the same #2 question....im interested into buying F/R ST sways..but i want to be sure im not buying the 'old' model which was knocking...was it the front or rear that had that issue anyway?
How do we know that we're buying the 'good' model?
This post has been edited by HaRv3sTeR: Nov 21, 2007 - 8:42 AM
Bump cuz I'm thinking of getting a set and I'd really like to know
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The old versions of ST sways are out of production so the company that you purchase the sway bars from will have to tell you when they got them or if they know what version they have. The front was the one that had issues with rubbing. the rear has no problems whatsoever as i have had none and the sway bar i recieved was an older version
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